Well… I need to vote… and right now the two things that are bugging me the most are Rysto saying that me bringing up ideas that I have is “scaremongering” and seeming to try to stifle discussion on the topic… and possibly thinking it was a good place to park his vote without seeming suspicious… AND Chronos essentially saying that having to lynch someone twice isn’t damaging.
I’m gonna sleep on it and cast a vote for one of them in the morning. Either way I am going to Vote Execute. At least then I know the cost of my actions.
Signal to noise means nothing in itself… but it can point out that some players are worth looking in to. It can be a useful tool, as long as you always keep in mind the perfectly valid flaws already pointed out.
I like it because some players are pretty good at masking their posts with fluff… but sitting down and reading them all, it becomes a little more obvious. Using it as a rough guide, a very rough guide, can’t do too much harm.
After reading the last dozen and a half pages, I’m not much closer to understanding what is going on. Fortunately, I dont think many others are either. The most enlightened players are probably the Blackhearts who have it east. Play dumb, and night kill. All this praying and sinning is going to take a couple Days to full understand, I think.
Well the Day is almost at an end. The most anti-town thing I could do is not vote. I gotta give you all something to analyze Tomorrow other than fluff. Chronos’s elaborate plan for a 100% victory is an interesting one. Only problem is it takes an astrophysicist to figure out and 100 percent trust and participation by the other 17. I don’t like that it’s basically a mass role fish. It’s like fishing with hand grenades! (fun, by the way). But, it doesn’t really ping my scumdar right now.
While most people are playing it safe with an Ostracation so they can get a better understanding of what’s going on before blinding killing mofos, there are some among us who are so enlightened and so confident that they are ready to start lynching immediately. I don’t think that’s the route we should take right now and I’m curious why Spurious George is so gungho with the noose.
Ostracize Spurious George
I agree about it being a guide…a very rough guide. I hope we remember that later.
I think that early in the game, it is even harder to analyze the content of what people post. There are bound to be countless game questions and fluff early on.
However, one way to do a check on it is to have people summarize, with a numbered list, what their contributions and thoughts were over the course of a day. In fact, sometime in the middle of the game, we could even do something better.
Each person could analyze themselves and two other people, summarizing their own contributions day by day(or overall). Basically, it’s like a fluff detector. If I have contributed little other than arguing and commenting on other posts, it’s going to be hard to claim otherwise without being called out.
With 18 people in the game and 3 hours to go before Nightfall, it’s not worth it toDay. Besides, Day One is probably not the time to do this. Too much early game chatter.
Anyway, thanks for making the chart, Chronos. If you think it’s worthwhile, you might want to make one for each Day and keep one for the overall game. We can obviously use it to check those who get killed/ostracized/removed from the game and look for patterns.
A question for all those folks favoring Execute: You claim that we know the drawback of executing, but that we don’t know the drawback of ostracizing. How can you be so sure? We know of one drawback to each: Ostracizing has the drawback that the ostracized can still take an action, and executing has the drawback that the executioner becomes stained with sin. Sure, maybe ostracizing has some extra hidden drawback that we don’t know about, but then, maybe executing has some extra hidden drawback we don’t know about, either. Given that, shouldn’t we be deciding based on the drawbacks we do know about, rather than inventing monsters under the bed to scare us into choosing the one we imagine to have less monsters?
And we should still find out what Ostracizing does. Our best to find out is to Ostracize someone.
That said, it’s only our best bet. There’s no sure thing that we will find out what it does. And we need to keep an open mind. Coming to conclusions too quickly could be our downfall.
OK, I have to apologize to Telcontar. *This *was clearly the weirdest thing posted yesterday:
They’re just like us, really…other than having a DIFFERENT WIN CONDITION! This is Mafia, not a f—ing diversity training seminar!
I’m feeling pretty sure Spurious George is going to turn up Town. If he were scum, we would have seen some sort of effort to rescue him. Looking at the vote history, Angel got the first two votes, then five people piled on Spurious. One of them unvoted, then I voted Angel, making it 4-3. Since then, five more people have voted Spurious. Although of course there are other possibilities, this pattern seems to me to be very highly consistent with the hypothesis that **Angel **is scum, and her partners are jumping on the Spurious bandwagon in order to protect her.
The tiny town of Boston, already ravaged by indian attacks and ostracization of the unpure, had dwindled down to a scant 18. And yet it was imperative, critical, that they use the last of their population to rid themselves of demons and sinners. So that’s just what they did. While the daylight grew and shrank, they debated over who was what, and how best to stop those who were evil. Some grew disgusted and left. They returned. Two among the number looked eager. Too eager. AngeloftheNorth was suspected for being willing to edit her thoughts, now that editing was allowed. SpuriousGeorge was all too willing to kill when killing might not be needed. He was deemed the more dangerous. So the group gathered around him and threw him out of the town. And he left, like a good, ordinary, pure Puritan.
Spurious George, a powerless, pure Puritan, has been ostracized.*
*Green is for pure Puritan.
Blue is for impure Puritans.
Orange is for Sinners.
Red is for Blackhearts.
The sun sank. It is now night, and the group went into the local gathering hall (as there was no bar) for further discussion, and/or sleep.
Night. You may stratigize if you wish. Day starts at Tuesday, Noon, EDT.
Even before Nightfall, I would have agreed with you, but not for the same reasons: I would have said that Spurious is probably town (as in, greater than 50% chance), for the very simple reason that there’s (presumably) significantly more Town than non-Town, and we really don’t have much information yet. At this stage of the game, any given player is probably Town.
And I don’t really think that Spurious’s lynching was the result of a concerted Scum effort. For one thing, he lead by 6 votes, and I can’t see either of the scum factions being that large. At that rate, even if Angel is scum, all that her faction had to do was to vote for anyone at all but her, and Spurious would still have lost the vote. There’s no benefit and considerable risk for them to pile up their votes all on the same person.
Furthermore, if a Scum does something in public that looks particularly scummy, the other Scum can and will be expected to vote for that person, so as to look innocent. If Scum never voted for other Scum, then it’d be a cinch to find them.
**Am I right that in this game, we can continue discussing strategy during Night? Also, I assume this means discussion is fine, but we can not possibly place a vote until Daytime, right? **
