The Day After Tomorrow (spoilers?)

I try not to go to see any movie with any particular expectations, but I was disappointed that this one wasn’t better.

Some people have already mentioned Minnesota, but did anyone else stay until the credits were over. An aide rushes up to the vice-president/president to tell him that 80% of the population of Canada survived. (Unfortunately, living on the East coast, I wouldn’t have been one of them.)

When the Hollywood sign was torn up by the tornado I said, “No! It cost Alice Cooper almost $28,000 to save that sign. That second “O” belongs to him!” :eek:

For some reason, I knew they were just teasing a rivalry between Jake “Spider-Man Understudy” Gyllenhaal and that other guy. And when the guy told Jake to tell the girl how her felt about her, I immediately said, “He’s gay.” :wink:

The dying child sub-plot was superfluous, but I also thought the wolves (aside from being bad effects) were also unneccessary. I found that the three boys’ race to the ship and back was tense enough without the wolves (who should have been snacking on the dead corpses of the people who left the library anyway.)

The most memorable moment in the film, for me, came courtesy of my father. When nerd-boy found the penicillin on the boat, we only got a brief look at the bottle. But it was enough to elicit a guffaw from my father, who pointed out that the liquid in the bottle was totally unfrozen. Similarly, at one point, when Jake was trying to trap the wolves, he had only one glove, yet had no problems when he placed his naked hand on the metal ship.

I would have preferred it if they had actually had to amputate the girl’s leg. (Which, in turn, could have served as food. :evil smilie: Did the dog have a name in the film? If not, I would have called him ED. “Emergency Dinner”.) Of course, based on the rest of the film, I assume the studio wanted to show as little human casualties as possible - which, IMO, is one of the main reasons this film fails as a decent disaster film.

The only characters I really liked were the father and Ian Holm’s character. I like Dennis Quaid and, as someone else mentioned, also think he’d make a good Indiana Jones. He looks a lot like a slightly younger Harrison Ford, IMO. And I felt more sympathy for Ian Holm’s character, despite his limited role, than anyone else. Just the look on his face when he realized what was going to happen, and the scene where he was looking at his grandson’s drawing… :frowning:

I liked the homeless man and his dog. Someone mentioned expecting to see one of the wolves freeze in mid-air leap. I also expected something like that, but not as dramatic. And I actually thought the homeless man’s dog might suffer a similar fate. Of course, it’s a Hollywood rule that the pet always survives, no matter what. [see Sylvester Stallone’s Daylight] At least we got to see that pilot freeze as he was exiting the crashed helicopter.

All in all, I enjoyed watching the film, despite being underwhelmed. I could have written a better script, but I suspect many Dopers could have done so. :wink: The effects were great (aside from the superfluous wolves), and none of the actors, while nothing special (aside from Ian Holm), didn’t stick out as “bad” and detract from my enjoyment of the film. The ending speech by the new president was awfully preachy though.

Personally, I like both disaster films and post-apocalyptic films. However, I’d love to see a film which deals mainly with the immediate aftermath of a disaster or apocalyptic event. The first preview for The Day After Tomorrow looked like it would be more about people surviving post-storm. The second preview, however, was just the opposite - showing the people trying to weather the storm. Previews suck!

Anyhoo…

[QUOTE=Munch]
[ul][li]Was that a tidal wave, or was that a storm surge from the hurricane-ish storm?[/li][li]I have to backup **OpalCat ** on this - Florida was definitely not frozen.[/ul] [/li][/QUOTE]

  1. Definitely a storm surge - they mentioned a massive storm surge hitting somewhere else (east coast of Canada, maybe) just before the New York sequence.

  2. Thirded - for some reason I was specifically looking for this, and central- to southern-Florida is still uncovered, though probably quite a bit colder than before.

I agree that I would have liked to see some more international things happening, but I don’t think the movie was any worse for leaving it out. I thought it was a very enjoyable disaster movie, and with the exception of the wolves and the cancer patient, didn’t really dislike anything about it (bearing in mind the obvious need for some suspension of disbelief and tolerance for cheesy scripting).

A lot of wood furniture nowadays has a finish that’s toxic when burnt.

also noticed that florida was okay. i remember thinking the skylab guys could land at the cape.

italy looked a bit frozen, like a white go-go boot. so that wouldn’t bode well for the english guy’s wife and kid, yes?

nova scotia got hit with the storm surge before nyc.

they may have decided to burn the books over the wood stuff due to finishing treatments, varnish, shellac, etc.

i’m thinking of hiding out at home depot or target when the ice storm hits, lots of good stuff there to survive.

I’d guess the furniture in the New York Public Library is decidedly not from “nowadays”.

Hey, is the Gutenberg Bible really in the New York City Public Library? I thought it was in the British Museum or something.

And I thought the argument over Nietszche was pretty funny – they’re in trouble up to their eyeballs but they can stop and squabble over a Dead White Guy.

Nitpick: When Dad bursts into the Frosty Reading Room, you can’t see anyone’s breath.

Is there a “the” Gutenberg Bible? I thought the whole point of inventing a printing press is that you could easily make multiple copies. I can imagine the NYPL having a bible from Gutenberg’s original run, though even if paper was their only fuel source, it’s not like it was in such short supply that a particular book would need protection. As the black kid pointed out, there was a whole shelf of tax law that seemed less-than-useful. I don’t doubt you could cull several tons of books from the NYPL and not even make a smudge on Western Culture.

Related to this, when Dad walks up and sees the roof of the library, shouldn’t he see chimney smoke coming from somewhere?

Okay, I saw it today and I have committed two things to memory:

  1. I need to stay right where I am unless I decide to go farther south.

  2. I need to brush up on my Spanish in case that southern migration becomes a necessity!

I’m pretty sure there is an original Guttenberg Bible at Yale, also.

I would think there are places in other parts of the world with the technology to help the guys at the ISS. Not all of South America is backwards country, sheesh!

To the second part… well, if they could evacuate lots of people in the US, you could infer Spain and the Mediterranean countries did something similar and people were evacuated to Northern Africa.

Now for my next question (and thanks for the reply - that’s what I thought):

Why would a storm surge be coming inland for an inland hurricane? Wouldn’t a storm surge be faced out to sea (or at least in the direction the storm is moving)?

A storm surge exists all around the perimeter of a storm, not just in the direction of travel. I think it’s greater in direction of travel, but I really don’t know for sure. It’s an effect caused by the storm’s winds and the pressure differential.

There isn’t really. There are three countries that have ever put men in space, U.S., Russia, and China. Of the three, only one (Russia) is planning a manned mission this year. Putting a man in space is a lot more complex than launcing a satellite. That said, like someone else mentioned, there is an escape capsule docked at the ISS. This capsule is rotated out each time a manned mission goes to the station. They take a new capsule up and return in the old one.

As far as the movie goes, it was a decent popcorn muncher. The wolves bothered me. It wasn’t so much the CGI for them, which was bad. It was their behavior. Hollywood wolves seem to have an unsatiable desire for living human flesh, not to mention an uncanny ability to find protagonists.

I thought it was strange that the famous central park zoo POLAR BEAR didn’t escape and thrive in the cold.

I was also suprised that the dog didn’t have to fight the wolves in some fashion.

Also when Quaid gets to them they are ALL ASLEEP! Hello! Somebody better be watching the fire at all times. And when Quaid gets to the library why doesn’t he see smoke coming from a chimny? Of course none of the other buildings in NYC that had suvivors had smoke coming from them either.

I’d say Noclueboy’s answer is probably good enough, but it occurs to me that one could argue that the wave that hit New York was generated by the European storm and crossed the Atlantic (even though the movie seems to imply otherwise).

south america could deal with tracking and coordinates, but there are few places where a space shuttle can land. the cape in florida is one.

i’m not sure what facilities russia has, i know that they do land landings rather than the apollo water landings. i don’t know if they have a special surface or amount of area needed to land.

i’m sure dennis quaid will have the answer by the time the space lab guys have to come home.

Just saw the movie. Overall, better than I expected. Some notes:

About the ISS… As pointed out, the Soyuz is designed for dry landing. Russia is covered with ice, so I’d pick Australia. The ISS team should be able to reenter and land without ground control. God knows when the next launch would be.

The wolves were just a stupid idea. First the eye-rollingly clumsy foreshadowing (I can picture Emmerich in Screenwriting 101, writing “FOURSHADDOWING” in his notebook and circling it several times, then doodling some more jet planes). Then the CGI wolves that, instead of scavenging from the thousands of dead bodies or simply heading south, go to a lot of trouble to act like evil cartoon wolves. (And that whole scene reminded me of the scene with the baby lizards in Godzilla; I was thinking, “Why are we wasting time with this stupid contrived crisis?”)

Ian Holm is a great actor. He can very economically inhabit a character that you care about. That last scene at the Scottish weather station had some real dignity and compassion, thanks to good, understated acting. Can’t go wrong with an old classically-trained pro.

I’m glad they didn’t have some magical solution to the problem; instead, the world will be permanently different. It does seem a little laughable that what’s left of the U.S. Government would be offering to forgive anybody’s debts.

I’ll give Emmerich this – he can’t write to save his dick, but he has managed to bring some archetypal science fiction images to the screen. The scene in Independence Day when the alien ships descend through the clouds and hover gigantically over cities was just about perfect. In this movie, seeing Manhattan as a frozen, dead ruin literally gave me a chill, because it brought to mind so many of the stories I grew up reading. Now if the guy would just work with good scripts…

Y’know what would have been cool? If there hadn’t been any rescue by fleets of military helicopters (and why was Jack Hall the only person in Manhattan who could work a shortwave radio?). Where the movie ends is where it was just getting interesting. I’d like to see a movie about a small group of survivors struggling to make it through a glacial winter in the dead city. Polar bears and caribou start wandering down from Canada. Rival warlords hold sway over a terrified population on the verge of annihilation. Then Yul Brynner shows up…

One good thing: special effects have reached a level that simply amazes me. I don’t want to hear you kids griping about the CGI (except for the wolves, which were a stupid idea anyway). If somebody had tried to make this movie when I was a kid, it couldn’t have looked as good, even with the best special effects money could buy at the time. They’d have to build big models and use dump-tanks, slow motion, all sorts of tricks, but couldn’t have equalled the sweeping views of destruction we got. Of course, I’ll still take a great script over good special effects anytime. (Note to Emmerich: no reason you can’t have both.)

They were supposed to have the Eiffel Tower, but it got cut. It’s not clear whether the effects were done or not. If they were, it should end up on the DVD. From EW:

Oh No!..I’m being pursued by wolves raised by handlers from the Central Park Zoo!

However will I protect myself?
OH! Whats THIS I’ve had in my hand since I broke onto the big Russian Ship sailing down Park Avenue…A FIRE AXE!!! I can Chop the lil doggies fuckin’ HEADS OFF, MAN!!! :smack:

Did anyone else mutter “My marrow’s low” whenever the cancer kid was on-screen?