The dead contacting the living

IOW, you read a work by Penrose, and understood just a little bit of it, enough so that you can write a very poor description of it.

I haven’t seen any evidence that would lead me to believe that John Edward is actually contacting any deceased people from beyond the grave, although whether he believes he is or not is something I don’t know enough to say anything about. My honest emotional response to people like him, though, is just… a kind of revulsion. Sorry to anyone who has positive feelings about him. Ick, ick, ick!!!

Were this true, we could hook into living people’s minds as well. And the question would immidiately be raised as to why the same “wave” was never “received” by more than one living person’s brain at once.

I should also note that, as I have said before, the recent discovery of that substance “alcohol” lays to rest any theory that effecting the brain doesn’t alter the actual mechanism of consciousness, utterly disproving the notion of external “souls” or “standing probability waves”. Putting that aside, though…)

There’s still that whole uncrossable gulf problem. Whether dead or alive, he and Lazarus both crossed it.

There’s this guy, who used to be somewhat popular.

What gulf was that? Something different from that mentioned earlier? See post #21.

The dead speak to me everytime I play a Beatles CD. It’s eerie, and quite possibly eldritch too.

It sounds to me like you’re describing telepathy here. That opens up a whole other line of argument.

The phrase “mortui vivos docebunt” or similar appears on plaques posted at a number of morgues.

One variation employed at a medical examiner’s office went as follows:

“This is the place where the dead delight to teach the living.”

Probably not the sort of communication most here have in mind, but useful information can be passed on.

Let me introduce you to Dr. Quantum, anything said in math can be said in english also.

You have written many, many stupid things on this board, but this is among the stupidest. There are countless concepts that can be expressed gracefully, quickly and clearly in mathematical notation, but only awkwardly, slowly, and imprecisely in English. Mathematics is (among other things) a language meant for communicating certain sorts of information–and different sorts of information than English is intended for. There are simple algebraic concepts that translate only haltingly to English. Trying to express quantum theory in English is like trying to write a symphony that way; the demands of the topic are so ill-suited to the medium that any effort is doomed to be a rough and often misleading approximation.

Really? I always thought Roger Penrose, Albert Einstein, Bertrand Russell, Charles Hawkins, and others did rather well at translating math into english. Guess it depends on the individual.

Nope - here “wave” refers to the “standing probability wave”, which is to say, the soul itself, not some communication system between souls. Telepathy would be when two of these SPWs, floating around in their eldrich aether, leaned over and had a chat irrespective of silence in the physical realm, and isn’t what I’m talking about.

What I am referring to is, if SPWs are using the brains as radio broadcasters/receivers, and that these waves could be picked up by “any sufficiently complex system” such as perhaps computers or sufficiently complicated bowls of pasta, then what is preventing one SPW from hooking into two such systems, or two living brains, at the same time? Note that this would not be perceived as a spirit talking to you; this would be percieved as having a complete second set of senses attached to a single mind, of equal reality as the first set simultaneously. You’d think that a person experiencing this would notice immediately - yet nobody seems to ever mention it happening.

Stephen Hawkins, and Carl Sagan also.

I like QM

Math scares me a lot, which could be why I don’t even TRY to understand quantum mechanics. :wink: I shall leave it to the… quantum mechanicicians? (That doesn’t sound like a word…)

Don’t be afraid of math. It is reported that Einstein’s math teacher told him he would never be a mathetician. What the teacher unknowing meant, that he wouldn’t be a math expert on the teacher’s schedule. Working on his own schedule Einstein proved the teacher wrong. Many fail to learn their subjects on school schedules, but later become the best in their field. It is determination that matters. As for Quantum Mechanics there are several authors that can explain the general principles without the use of math. QM is an important discovery because it is beginning to show us that the spiritual concepts taught for centuries have merit. The video I linked above is only one in a series. Don’t let anyone tell you that you can’t learn a subject, any subject.

Um, no. This is completely and totally wrong. Right now, QM is almost nothing but math, trying to explain anything beyond the most basic concepts without math is guaranteed to get something wrong. QM shows us nothing about spirituality. All you’ve shown is that you most certainly do not understand QM.

Have you read The Dancing Wu Li Masters?

No, I’ll have to add it to the list with the other fantasy books.

No, it doesn’t.

People can use almost anything to “prove” spiritual concepts, which has led to numerology, crystal therapy, pyramid power, astrology, and many other scams that have no basis in reality whatsoever. If you try hard enough, you can make up spiritual influences in every rock, twig, and ripple in the water, but mathematics won’t demonstrate merit in any of it.