You know here is a weird fact that “few” understand. While some people have a huge problem with Alchohol for the vast majority of people, one or two occasional drinks can actually be a quick way to relax a little. I hardly drink at all anymore but I would hardly go from what **dmatsch ** said to a lecture on Alcohol.
That is quite a leap or maybe a strawman, I’m not sure which.
Jim
So are you hijacking the thread in favor of a discussion of alcoholism or calling a handful of dopers alcoholics?
Have you really caught people doing that? Damn, your prison stories are the BEST.
Is that your way of saying you’re putting me on your ignore list? Hmm, should I report your post? It is against the rules. That would be extra funny considering the nature of the OP. I won’t do it, tempted, but I won’t.
Your making assumptions again. He simply used the word ignore and probably is not even aware of the rule “Not to announce you are putting someone on your ignore list”. So I will try this tactic instead.
dmatsch: So you know there is a rule that says we posters cannot announce we are putting someone on our ignore list. It might be better to not even use the word ignore or some might get the wrong idea.
Jim 
Yeah jim, I am assuming again. After all people always capitalize the word “ignore” in the middle of a sentence. BTW are you not also making an assumption? That he was unaware of the rule.
Yes, but in my case it is an assumption where I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. You seem to be assuming the worst. I think he just meant he was not going to bother reading your posts. I am also assuming he is not used to how Pit threads work. That is a lot of assumptions, but they are all in the name of giving a new member the benefit of the doubt.
Jim
I am truly having a hard time understanding what you are referring to. You sound like the ultimate ignoramus and that isn’t what this board is about. Some industries require what we would call “extreme schedules” like 100+ hour medical residency schedules or IT people that are always on 24 hour call and could never do anything except wait by the phone by your definition.
I truly dont understand what you are talking about. I am a consultant and I go into modes where the work runs on a 24 hour schedule and I am expected to work on that schedule as well. At the same time, it is all tasked based work so traditional working hours aren’t anything special.
Much of it is endurance based but you set your own schedule based on what you feel and how you can hold up.
My last schedule that I built was:
We access from both home and work. We just work on things until we start undergoing some type of physical exhaustion that can only be cured by sleep and then we say say. It may be bad if we just worked 40 hours a week and then expected to get sleep once we get home but no one believes that is the case during certain times.
I fail to see the difference between drinking at 10:00 am or 10:00 pm when someone is on that schedule.
When I was doing my time as a cubicle-dwelling contractor, the creature across from my cubicle complained that I typed too loudly.
:wally
I bet she trolls her subdivision on the weekends looking for subdivision rules violators.
The day I got my hard walls … yaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy.
I’m not too sure what more needs to be said, seeing as the original issue here has long ago been left behind (as sometimes happens. no big.) I just want to add my WTF to Snowboarder Bo’s little sermon. On it’s own it’s out of context and extremely rude, but if I remember correctly, he’s the one that works a minimum of hours,which makes it doubly offensive and not at all insightful.
Good luck, dmatsch. I think you was robbed, but now that you know your enemy at least you can protect yourself from further stabs to your back.
If ya want my opinion (and I’m sure, you do, being as you posted it on a message board and all…) you need to make sure you go and open another pit thread.
About your dipshit boss.
If your boss, who knows this woman and knows her reputation with the company, heard her story and talked to you in any way other than “can you beleive that bitch {insert bitch’s name here} came into my office and told me she smelled alcohol on your breath?” then he needs to be pitted.
As a manager it’s his damn job to MANAGE people, and that means, sometimes-- nay oftentimes-- filtering out bullshit that’s just going to upset his employees and have no productive impact.
Was he worried you were going to get in trouble for it? Does he have a problem with what you did? IF he knows you’ve been having some stressful days but your performance isn’t suffering, then he deserves to have is ass nailed to the wall, too.
dmatsch, please have a look through the Forum Rules, one of which is that we don’t allow people to taunt each other with their ignore lists.
And askeptic, how about you cool it with the trolling hints and the junior modding, eh?
Neither of these are Official Warnings, so let’s all try to stay calm.
Of course you lose points for drinks at lunch on your own. The rule I follow (programmer in a similar work situation as you, btw) is that I’ll only drink prior to 6pm if I see someone from my line of management do it first. Of course I don’t usually want to drink at lunch, so this isn’t a big deal (although a nice beer to go with my burger would really hit the spot…). I don’t point this out from any sort of moral high horse, just from self preservation: don’t give anyone the rope they need to hang you.
Although, after 6pm or so all bets are off. I won’t drink IN the office, but I won’t blink at going for a drink prior to logging in for more work, or heading back in to the office if something goes sour (which is very, very common). If it’s 7pm and I want to go get something to eat, I’m not going to skip a beer just because I suspect I will have to head back in due to some “emergency” that I know is most likely inevitable. From where I sit, it’s not my responsibility to be alcohol free 24 hours a day, 7 days a week during crunch periods (that are almost always a result of management’s desire to squeeze twice as much work out of half as many people). But then, this isn’t novel as it’s how most people I’ve known in the industry behave, so it’s hardly raging against the machine or anything.
Also, askeptic, I think you’re off base about the “I pay you to work X hours” comment. Most programmers I’ve known are salaried. Paying programmers hourly is a losing proposition for many places that refuse to plan projects appropriately, when they pull their first death march and end up with thousands of hours of overtime and find themselves about 450% over budget as a result. I’m not saying programmers are any worse off than anyone else, it’s just the truth about exempt vs. non-exempt: it’s way cheaper to make us exempt, because most companies seem to be struggling with the same planning disasters that plagued people in the mid 1970’s, and by now a lot of people have figured it’s just easier to make people work longer instead of admitting that developing whatever widget they want is probably going to take them twice as long as they really want it to.
Well, not everyone. My goal is to eventually find a company in that small percent that have managed to get it figured out and not run every single project on a laughably short release schedule (aka, the “tight” or “aggressive” schedule).
Agreed, WOOKINPANUB.
I think that if this happened to me, I would be scheming on some turnabout. Not saying I actually would, mind you, but I would be thinking about it.
In the 50’s it was also ok to “let” black people have their own bathrooms.
No, you don’t remember correctly.
I don’t work many days per year, compared to most people. But when I do work it’s usually from 8am-12midnight, sometimes longer. Even so, I would never use that as a justification for drinking during my lunch hour, or dinner breaks, or at breakfast, etc. When I am on the clock, my time belongs to my client or to my employer, and they deserve 100% of my abilities. That is what they are paying for, and that is what I deliver.
Pardon me, what I meant to say is that when Snowboard Bo’s “hours worked” are averaged out at the end of the year, the number is less than most people. Didn’t mean to misrepresent you. Doesn’t change the selfrighteous tone and irrelevancy of your post though.
I hope you’ve learned your lesson: It’s always wise to invest in mints and odor neutralizing spray (for clothes), and keep them in your car so you can use them on the way back to work. I learned that one from coming home stoned in high school.
BTW, I don’t know about you, but I have very little tolerance and on two shots of vodka–especially if they’ve been diluted by two “shots” of lime juice–I wouldn’t feel hardly a thing, other than maybe a little warmth in my throat. Then again, I earned my stripes on vodka back in the day, so who knows?
Do they have any openings?
sigh and the main reason he is emphasizing that it is no big deal is because this is a thread about a specific instance of alcohol connsumption, and comparing it with other similar incedences in his company of alcohol consumption.
Just like you would probably say that my tablespoon of brandy in a coffee as a regular monday night ‘ritual’ indicates alcoholism? Or would you take into consideration that I happen to like a touch of brandy in my coffee, and monday night happens to be my friday [my days off are tues/wed] and as a diabetic I am very careful about what I consume, and I have decided that that .3oz of alcohol a week as a special treat is more about the flavor than the booze? [in a 24 oz coffee…]
You are the exact asshole that made my kindness of driving a friend to an AA meeting mandated by his screwup purgatorial by INSISTING that I was an alcoholic and fully in denial … simply because I showed up at a meeting … :mad: did you ever think that many people AREN"T alcoholics, just because they might have a few drinks now and then? Not everybody happens to be alcoholic that drinks.
Isn’t that convenient? Anyone who says “I’m not an alcoholic” is an alcoholic. That means that if you asked a teetotaller “Are you an alcoholic” and they replied “No”, you could mark them down as showing symptoms of alcoholism. Two ounces of vodka diluted by two ounces of lemon juice and half a pound of beef, plus lettuce, vegetables, pickles, onions, bread, etc. doesn’t sound like an alcoholic’s drink to me. As it is, that drink is so uninhibiting it’s not even on Drunkenville’s map. If he had an alcoholic’s tolerance–and you’re claiming or at least implying that he’s an alcoholic–then the drink he washed his burger down with would have the intoxicating effect of roughly one glass of water plus a big whiff of oxygen. Blow it out your ass.
If he only had two, well maybe he’s an alcoholic–maybe not, I don’t give a rat’s ass–but he clearly was not affecting his work by having two. If he’s really an alcoholic, he might (or might not) show up to work late and run to the bathroom and puke, then be unable to do his work–that would be a problem of concern to his company. It would also be completely outside the point of this thread.
Drinking isn’t important to him–getting shat on for bending a rule that clearly isn’t held in high esteem in the first place is what’s important to him.