“Organ harvesters”? Seriously?
Dick Dastardly, this is a formal warning for being a jerk. You’ve been warned repeatedly for breaking the rules, and the staff will be discussing your posting privileges.
Egypt is known for it’sblack market organ harvesting.
Short answer: it’s too early to tell.
Long answer: It’s tooooooooo eaaaaaarrrrrlllllllly tooooooooooo teeeeeeeeelllllllll.
ahem
The dust has hardly settled, and we don’t know for sure how things will shake out. Egypt is particularly worrisome, as a massive percent of their population is agitating for, at the least, a situation which could very easily see Hamas rearmed and resupplied (and therefore a new war launched which would bring even more misery to the people of Gaza). Outright military conflict on the nation level is unlikely for Egypt, but not impossible. If anything, the synergy between Turkey and Egypt might prove disastrous, as Turkey expelled Israeli diplomats (itself the first step towards war and a definitive means of ending diplomacy and communication itself) and has pledged an escort for the next attempt at breaking the naval blockade of Gaza. There is a very real chance of things spiraling way out of control if a shooting war breaks out between Israel and Turkey. Hopefully we’re not at the point where we’d see events culminate in the creation of the world’s largest radioactive glass parking lot, but wars start when and where we choose, they don’t finish how or when we’d perfer…
Time will tell, but my money is on Egypt as the country to watch in the upcoming months/years, and events having the potential for a very, very nasty regional war if cooler heads don’t prevail.
What le Capitaine is getting at is that when the West and in particular the Americans undertake some bombing and invasions, they chant to the world their great concern for the bettering of the life of the populations and by this the expansion of the democracy in these countries.
Except these values of democracy and liberties fall away as values of interest when if in any slight way the politics of the USA is challenged, for example. And then we get the responses like this, “oh why should we be caring?”
I am in fact very pro west, against the dominance of the leftism in what is called the third world, and very anti tiers mondisme which is a terrible disabilitating ideology, but the shrugging racism of certain types of discourses when their hypocricies are identified is disturbing to me and damages those of us who would be for the West.
Et voilà, we are the useful idiots if we believe that a question that might be posed is different than the implication of 'these turbulent creatures, were they not less difficult with dictators?"
The Question is how would you know what has replaced what? Yes, of course the current Egypt is less convient for Israel, or more particularly the Israeli government that wishes to have quiet neighbours while it exacts what it wants from the territories occupied.
We can not otherwise say if the Egyptian government is corrupt now or not. We can say it is less convenient to the greater Israel factions.
Tunisia is more free than it has been since the fall of Bourguiba. There is no question of that. Of course there is no change in relationship to Israel and its occuption, so perhaps to some kinds of analysis it matters not that there is greater freedom, as the creatures still do not keep silent.
this means what? Lybia is now free to make its own contracts. Lybia sold oil to the Nato members before, it will sell it after. It is stupid and dishonest to claim that liberation was for oil. If oil was the matter deciding, then no French and no British would have bombed, as they were making good business with Qadafi.
In the dreams of the Israelis they will have war so as to whiten their policies. A cold war, it is deserved.
What is evenign the meaning of such a question? The protest by self burning began in Tunisia and it was so unusual of its desperation that is got attention, and by its desperation it caused a revolution.
IS this how you protest? It is, in Sri Lanka too. In Cambodge too. In other places of various religions. It is the act of desperate, depressed people. Perhaps Israels simply make more colonies when they are depressed? A question of equal intelligence.
They are more free.
Was USA more stable in 1791? Than under the Crown?
Questions that reveal so much.
True, but then Israel should not make bombings indiscriminately. Or the current Isreali govenrment, it is unfair to make them the same.
In the case being discussed, the Israeli military was chasing gunmen who had attacked Israeli civilians, while apparently dressed in Egyptian Army uniforms, and some actual Egyptian soldiers got caught in the crossfire. A tragedy, but no more than an accident typical of the chaos of battle; an Israeli soldier was also killed by friendly fire in the same incident.
It is not a “typical” accident in normal countries when the fire crosses the border, even if some excuses about uniformes are invented. It is for Israel to remember that it is not the wild wild west and that there are borders. If of course the current govenrment cares about any relationships or friendships. That is not clear at all. Which is said.
It was Egypt that violated the border by failing to close it; Israel’s actions were a direct result. If the Egyptian authorities were in control of the Sinai like they should have been, this wouldn’t have happened. There is a “wild west” there - and it’s Egypt’s fault.
It is amusing that this would not be a very convincing argument with any other border for the manner of the incident. But this is now a distraction from the subject.
Which is irrelevant, given the sentences talking about killing and blockading. The more pertinent link is this one, (which prompted an acrimonius thread when it appeared), and using that term in the context of “kill[ing] Egyptians or Palestinians” and “the harvester blockade of Gaza” is trolling.
[ /Moderating ]
Beat me to it.
You…think that arresting people for the most bogus of offenses -be it an innocent Jewish American for ‘spying’ or a Egyptian for protesting - is an improvement? Military tribunals for civilians is democracy?
If the Egyptian military forces are acting just like Mubarak in the name of change and ‘Arab Spring’, then they have it worse. This is the Egyptian shot at getting it right.
:dubious:
I don’t think any Arab nation is stupid enough to engage Israel in anything but a clandestine war, and it’s way too early to judge the results of the Arab Spring. Give it 10-20 years and we’ll see. Personally I think all the nations will be better off for it. Except Yemen, which is a lost case anyway. Also, as long as outright war is avoided, then what benefits or does not benefit Israel is way too narrow a prism to view the changes in.
they are only more free to riot. There haven’t been elections yet and the jury is a long way off on the direction the country takes.
I was addressing Alessan’s question of the practice not your moderating.
In regards to Egypt and corruption, I am exceptionally concerned about these noises about extending and enhancing the Emergency Law.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/egypts-military-threatens-to-revive-emergency-law-2353683.html
I have great hopes for the future of the Egyptian People, but I fear that perhaps there will be some issues between then and now. Ramira, if you would care to comment on the matter?
I suspect it’s difficult to deal with corruption if it’s intrenched in the social fabric of the country.
I did not think you were challenging any staff posts; I just figured you missed the point of Dick’s actual intentions.
But of course this is tautological - you can’t free someone else, by definition.
Oh, you can beat the bully who’s been keeping him down. Which only does one thing: establish that you’re bigger, harder, tougher than the previous bully and just as he kept the “freed” man down, so could you if you so wished. You might or might not wish it right just this minute, but there’s a perverse sword of Damocles hanging still that everyone involved is aware of. And of course, the freed man now owes you, does he not ?
So how can you call that man free ? He’s just a slave to another master.
Well depends on which revolt.
Freedom does not mean freedom to start aggressive, revanchist wars; freedom does not mean freedom to commit genocide; freedom is not naked totalitarian mob rule.
Israel and Turkey are the only functional democracies in the Middle East. In addition Israel is one of our closest allies.