Valve operates on pacific time, so they may list the release as 9pm on the day before the official release date which is midnight eastern typically.
Jeez, relax, I was just poking a bit of fun, everybody drones on and on about how awesome it’s gonna’ be on PC…when what you all should be excited about is Skyrim itself, who gives a crap what you’re playing it on. I already named myself as a douche for posting that, what more do you want? I’m surprized anyone can enjoy TES with all the bitchy moaning about console players, I can’t read a single article online about Skyrim without someone commenting on it and saying something like “why did Bethsoft show the game on the 360, it woulda’ been so much better on PC!” [insert ‘L’ on forehead of person stating this :D]. Instead of being happy that someone wrote an article of their experience with the game, people have to complain about something that equates to a very small technicality when considering the fact that TES V is almost on the shelves. Yes, Bethsoft wants to make money, they don’t want to please a small portion of their fans and risk not making the necessary sales to pay for this games production, in other words, just be happy, and stop whining! 
Now that I’ve hopefully put an end to the tit-for-tat PC/360 argument ;). Let us now rejoice that the date today is 11/8/11…you know what that means, Skyrim is just around the corner! [embarrassing squeal of delight, everybody in room looks, ducks head and acts innocent :D]
Wow. Hope the third time’s the charm for you. Rage AND Stronghold 3? Ouch!
Yeah, haven’t had a lot of luck this summer with pre-orders…even the DLC for Shogun II was a bit of a flop. Here’s hoping this one will make up for all the other duds…
-XT
You should have like 200+ steam games after the various sales - why do you even take risks on preordering $50 games?
I’m a sucker for new games I guess. I have games on Steam that I’ve bought on various sales that I have never gotten around to playing. Hell, I still have the latest DLC for Fallout New Vegas downloaded (preordered) and haven’t fired that up yet.
-XT
I give a shit what I play it on because I don’t want to play an expansion pack for Oblivion dressed up in a new game. Part of what has made Elder Scrolls games great is the technical advancement they’ve come with. Morrowind was a huge leap above daggerfall, and oblivion was a pretty big leap above Morrowind. But Oblivion was already straining what 2004 hardware could do the first time around, so there’s not much room to advance - so instead of getting Daggerfall to Morrowind and saying holy shit wow, and then Morrowind to Oblivion and saying wow, we’re going from Oblivion to Skyrim and saying eh.
To put it in console terms, imagine you bought a nice new PS3 but all the devs ever made was PS1 games, so you were still playing games that could’ve been made 10+ years ago and you wouldn’t know the difference, meanwhile all of the power at your hands - all of the technical greatness the system could achieve - and not just graphics but world size and physics and AI etc etc were sitting idle.
If you’re being such a douche that you actually notice it yourself and feel it necesary to comment on it while you’re actually writing it, what does that tell you?
And that’s the thing. This wasn’t a PC/console argument. Kinthalis, as well as most PC gamers, are sick of getting games that are just ported over to PC from 2004 hardware, meaning not only will they not do anything technically impressive but we get stuck with the dumbed down lowest common denominator elements in all aspects of game design. So when they specifically note that they’re doing stuff like giving the PC version better graphics or making the interface more appropriate for PCs (oblivion was retarded with stuff like the spell wheel and gigantic text), we’re happy because the game will be better for us.
It’s not actually an argument until you decided to “tit for tat” it by trying to bring up some counterpoint (which was so laughably weak I don’t even know how you decided it’d be a good idea to post it).
I don’t think you fundamentally understand the issue that PC gamers have. This isn’t some Chevy vs Ford argument where it’s pretty much the same but people form up into tribes and go nuts on the other. It’s not even PS3 vs Xbox 360 which are basically the exact same thing and yet people fight to the death over them.
I don’t give a shit about your console gaming. I’m not trying to score points by pumping up how much better my shit is. I’m only concerned about consoles in so far as they degrade my personal gaming experience. In the days when console and PC gaming were pretty much entirely seperate, I did not give even the slightest shit about anything console related. It’s only when consoles became shitty little PCs that never take advantage of new technology for 10 years, and that game developers decided that they should therefore have the same games on consoles and PC, and take the easy route and program for the lowest common denominator, that I give a shit.
Because it affects me. I grew up in an environment where every year something would come out and blow my mind at how amazing it was and how much better it was than the current crop of games. Not only graphically, but in every respect. And then I came to a point where technology froze in 2004 and we’ve had 7 years of the exact same shit. It sucks. Now we live in a gaming world where no game can be too ambitious because they have to cram everything onto 512mb of memory so you can’t load big worlds or complex AI or detailed physics simulations. Where every game is a copycat of every other game, and it’s all lowest common denominator bullshit for idiots giving handholding gameplay that sends you down a corrodor going from cutscene to cutscene. Where innovative, small games have their multiplayer playerbase die off because 20 million people are playing the latest call of duty game which is the exact same as the last 4 call of duty games.
I don’t give a shit about your hobby. The best thing in the world that could possibly happen is that they seperate their ways again, and that consoles weren’t just some off the shelf 2004 computer technology but were different enough that we no longer shared games. I would love to not have to worry about how my experience is being dragged down because of your shit. You’ll never see me bashing the Wii for that reason - it’s a seperate ecosystem from my hobby and doesn’t hurt me.
I actually, if anything, feel sorry for you guys because your experiences are such a waste of art. I think of games like Oblivion and Dragon Age and think… most people experienced these games on consoles where the experience was so inferior that they’re not actually experiencing the artistry of the medium like they could be. It would be as if someone wrote a beautiful symphony and you only listened to it on a $10 alarm clock radio, or if you watched the Lord of the Rings movies on a 13" black and white TV.
Anyway, because Kinthalis is happy that they’re improving the game for him isn’t an argument. It only becomes an argument because you decided to try to make it one.
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- Gukumatz,
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Senor, you do have some Beef, calm yourself, friend, save your strength for Skyrim bandits and frost giants :D. My ultimate point is that we’re all TES fans, and Bethesda will push themselves harder to make all their fans happy (unlike some other studios). I don’t think you realize that technology has hit a plateau, the 360 is basically a moderate computer, not a super computer like mine, but not a piece of crap either. The naked eye has problems seeing the difference between 24fps and 30fps, and that is relative to the difference we’re talking about overall, not really going from transistor radio to booming sound system, that comparison is ludicrous (I’ve avoided spelling it ludacris, yes, extra points!). PC may look better, but not worth the hassle, constant crashes (congrats if you can load the outside without a blue screen every once in a while :D), eye torture from screen refresh rate, and the blasted keyboard commands (even with the gamepad you’ll still have to struggle with the keys just a little, not to mention configuration to boot, I just want to jump right in and play, thank you ;)).
That is it, I am ignoring all further discussions on this, it’s getting too heated, and I go back to my previous statement that we should all just be happy, SKYRIM IS ALMOST HERE!!! [collapses from mind-gasm]
Your post is factually incorrect in almost every regard (yeah, technology plateud at 512mb of shared video/system memory, which is why computers aren’t any faster than they were in 1996), but I don’t think I’m allowed to respond to it in detail.
No, they’ve been kinda up-n-down, frankly. And their quality control is historically abysmal.
No, it’s actually pretty out of date.
It’s not so much the frame rate as view distance and area scale that tends to piss off PC gamers. Consoles always cheap out on active memory.
No, if the PC version is not complete crap, it’s install and play, no different from the XBOX.
OK, Bosstrain. Stop with the damn smilies. Just stop. If you need smilies to communicate that much, you’re doing it wrong. It’s incredibly irritating.
I’d be happy to debate PC vs Console in the Pit. But SenorBeef don’t get banned, your Steam Sale posts are most valuable.
In the console world, yes. Everything else has moved forward since 2005.
Try 20-30 FPs vs 30- 60+ FPS on PC. The only way you don’t notice that is if you suffer from some sort of visual disability.
The difference is huge. And that’s just for Skyrim, a game that has done everything possible to minimize the potential for better graphics, AI and physics on the PC.
1080p vs SUB-HD
60+ FPS vs 20-30 FPS
Anti-aliasing vs jaggies as far as the eye can see.
Anisotropic filtering vs blurry, muddy textures.
High resolution textures vs low rez ones.
Adjustable FOV vs locked, claustrophobic FOV.
Much larger view distance vs hello mr wall of fog!
Much larger AI and object field of view vs magically appearing NPC’s that stand still until you get close.
Balanced levels of detail vs constant pop-in.
Vsynch! vs screen tearing galore.
And if the devs had cared to, the differences would be even larger.
Imagine:
More enemies on the screen at once (HORDE OF GOBLINS INCOMING!).
Hundreds of thousands of physics based particles combined with thousands of dynamic lights to make every spell look absolutely amazing!
Instead of blocky, unrealistic terrain that looks like well, polygons glued together, we’d have natural, organic looking terrain with nuance and detail thanks to tessellation. How about instead of the same old flat walls and floors that we’ve had since 1999, we get cobbles stones and bricks that jut out naturally?
Instead of stupid looking hair, and clothing that looks stapled to character models we get realistic fabrics that react to weather?
All of these would have been possible, if the devs cared to make it so.
This is equivalent to me saying - good luck playing Skyrim with all those Red Rings you’re going to get!
In other words, it’s a silly argument.
Oh no! (Cries the console gamer)
Options??!?! Noooooooo!
So the option of keyboard and mouse (prefered by many, btw) or gamepad is a BAD thing. Hmm, interesting line of thinking.
When I came on here announcing what the DEVELOPERS had mentioned about the PC version of the game,I wasn’t bragging, though I certainly was happy at SOME level of acknowledgement from a developer that has considered a not at all insignificant segment of their fans as “not their target demographic”.
I don’t know why console gamers get so upset when good things about the PC version of a game get ANY sort of mention.
If you say that ANYTHING about a game is better on the PC you are labeled elitist, because you should have kept your mouth shut about it and not hurt other people’s feelings.
It’s like the Christian minority in this country, butt-hurt over their terrible, terrible oppression at the hands of atheists, what with their “don’t have bible passages over government buildings!” and “Don’t force kids to pray in school!” agendas.
Back to Skyrim (pc or console I think we all agree this game is going to rock!)
Does anyone ever get those game guides anymore?
With the internet and all, even if I get stuck somewhere, I cna suualyl find help with a google search, so as strategy guides, they are total fail.
But they look so big and shiny and colorful…
Anyone picking one up, and if so, why?
I don’t think I’m allowed to post disagreements with moderating in this thread, so I posted in a thread about it in ATMB. Otherwise I’m abiding by the instruction not to continue this discussion in this thread.
Oh and apparently people in Europe are getting the game as early as TODAY.
PC gamers are stuck though, because it’s a Steamworks game and it won’t unlock until whenever Steam decides to unlock the game.
Some console gamers over there are already playing!!!
Isn’t Matsar from Europe? String him up!
It can be more convenient than looking it up on the net.
It also tends to look prettier than a website.
If you really like a game, fanboy level, there may be an urge to get everything that’s associated with it.
You know, like a cloth map.
None of which are enough reasons for me to spend 20-30$ on it but it may be worthwhile to others.
I’m starting to NOT get them.
On a related note, publishers are getting cheap, and hard copy game manuals are slowly going away, too. (To save on printing costs, I imagine.) Now, they ask you to go online and download a PDF of the manual if you want it. I’m annoyed with that just a little. I like having the manual in my hands while the game is running. I shouldn’t have to minimize the game or whatever to read a paragraph or two from the manual.
I don’t read either manuals or guides. If I get so stuck in a good game that I can’t continue, I’ll look for a walkthrough online for that one part. Usually turns out to be something I would have never thought of.
For a game with any fanbase, there is usually a pretty good wiki that builds up pretty quick, so that if I get stuck, I can check that. For the Elder Scrolls there is the TES wiki that has been around forever.