Right, as Sam Stone kept explaining to us, they were led by the Trotskyites. Different thing entirely.
Listen - were you at every protest, Dio? Do you know all the ins and outs of the protest leadership?
You have just noted what you saw, which even if accurate (which I will not necessarily allow) is of course limited. So if you have something else to back that up, perhaps you’d kindly share, as I have tried to.
How many did you got to, Moto?
I know the movement. I know what the people were like. There was defintely a fringe, but not a racist fringe. I’ve seen and talked to my share of Truthers, Trotsky-ites and anarchists (who were mostly just ill-informed, if passionate, college kids. They’ll grow out of it), but not antisemites. If that’s what they’re selling you on talk radio, it’s bullshit. If they were leading the protests, it’s funny that nobody had any awareness of it.
Some people keep repeating the mantra that anti-Israel equals anti-semitic, anti-Bush equals anti-American, etc. And by repeating it enough they know they can dilute the substance of any real discussions.
You’re making the opposite mistake - you’re stating flat out that anti-Israel isn’t generally anti-Semitic and you’re strongly implying that a bright line exists between the two. The reality is far different - that anti-Semitic attitudes are being wrapped up in extreme anti-Israel propaganda and that the line between these is not only murky but often deliberately so.
Actually you are the one here repeating mantras, so I really don’t know what that says about your genuine willingness to discuss this.
I was on the periphery of a couple of the ones in DC - kind of hard to avoid as I worked in the city at that time.
Not only is it fallacious to infer that being anti-Israel is equivalent to being antisemitic, it’s also fallacious to infer that being critical of specific Israeli policy is equivalent to being anti-Israel. It’s entirely possible to be supportive of Israel’s rights while still disagreeing, even STRONGLY disagreeing with some of her policies. It’s even possible to be an Israeli Jew and disagree with some Israeli policies towards Palestinians.
Characterizing all criticism of Israel as “anti-Israel” is just like categorizing all political dissent in or towards the US as “anti-American.”
My daughter is in the school play right now - she’s a munchkin in the Wizard of Oz. Between the rehearsals, performances, and your posts, I’ve had quite my fill of strawmen.
Many of the signs can be purchased at cafepress. The reference to Jews in the oven might be too distasteful, but a quick search locates a nice selection of signs associating Obama with Hitler and socialism.
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Which paragraph is that?
What issue is this addressing? You were asked for a cite to your statement…
Hell, it’s quite probably true, as there are nutjobs all over the place, but I still haven’t seen a cite for it. I’d like to see the evidence, so that I could try and determine if it was a widespread problem, or a lone nutjob who just sort of stumbled across the protest, and whether it was “generally” true or not that they are among the attendees. In neither of your links could I find evidence that the antiwar protests generally included their share of unpleasant avowed anti-Semites.
So again, do you have a cite, or can you point me to the portion of your links that backs up your claim?
And this has what to do with the cite request?
It’s not really much of a joke; I hear it claimed that Hitler was a left winger fairly often. The Nazis were “National Socialists”, after all, so that MUST make them left wing. Just like the People’s Republic of China is run for the People’s benefit. :rolleyes:
And I do on occasion hear the Hitler was Evil, Liberals are Evil, therefore Hitler was a Liberal argument seriously made.
Yeah, especially since Trotsky was a Jew.
Someone sent me this article that states the whole “teabag” thing was staged with Rick Santelli as the trigger for the ‘astroturf’ campaign.
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t106302.html
For example, this article claims the website ChicagoTeaParty was registered before Santelli spoke by Zack Christenson who produces a Chicago rightwing radio show hosted Milt Rosenberg, etc.
I sure hope there is not that much sneaky manipulations occurring among right-wingers, but, really, would not be terribly surprised if there were.
As compared to liberals, who have NEVER organized anything of the sort :rolleyes:
Remind us all of the last liberal attempt to encourage a fresh civil war?
It’s all a matter of perception. I think the majority opinion for the teabag protesters was against the liberal actions of the Obama administration, not just taxation policy.
I must hand it to the libs, it takes a lot to awaken the Silent Majority but in three short months the Obama administration has motivated them to become politically active again. Even if it does mean the DHS will be watching
Should this level of awareness ride through the mid-term elections, I think it bodes an ill wind for the current administration.
This is excellent news for the Palin campaign!
Only guarantee at this point is that it will not be McCain, thankfully that is finally behind us. But, as you know, that has nothing to do with the mid-term elections
Funny how anyone that doesn’t kiss the ground Obama walks on is suddenly labeled a Right Wing Nutjob/Extremist. Keep up the good work libs, you’re doing a fine job stoking the fires…
The thought makes our footsteps heavy with weariness, as we trudge to our certain doom.
What is it about politics? Many of us for many different reasons adopt a political label and say that is what I am. It seems we then become what that political persuasion supports. A liberal cannot understand how a conservative can really believe what he/she says. Conversely, a conservative cannot believe a liberal and is aghast at his/her views.
What is it about political affiliation? It is irrational, worse it becomes strident!
From 1930 – 1980 we followed the New Deal. In 1980 Reagan declared “It’s Morning in America” and we have followed the conservative mandate. (Clinton the liberal was contained and forced to a conservative agenda)
Now it is time for a review and possibly a revision of what has been. Rather than demonize Barrack or lament W. might we together look at the mess and together do something about it?
Reagan and Bush I worked on ending the cold war and created a deficit. Clinton paid it off. Bush II conducted a war to counter terrorism, delivered on tax cuts to stimulate the economy and starved the beast known as government. The deficit returned without any likelihood of retiring it.
Now we are in a tailspin economically. The last time we were here, 1929, we spent our way out with the New Deal, then the great war followed by the post war expansion. We are there again. We learned one way of dealing with it and it seems people like Obama, Bernanke, Geithner, Sommers, are trying those formulas that worked the last time.
Sure this adds to the deficit, is money we don’t have, spent for apparent good reason the last 8 years.
So we don’t spend to stimulate now, we do nothing. C’mon already, if we should not, pray tell, what should we do?