I love the plan to use the Kurds. This will surely endear them to Turkey and other governments they are seeking representation in and will forward their cause to create their own nation or at least be a recognized and empowered group in the countries they now live in. Kurdish deathsquads for America will surely make this rather badly treated minority heros in the region.
Because we, of course, care about liberating opressed people.
I’m sure their deathsquads will be as effective as their poilce, which is zero. Using the Kurds is the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard of.
I find it interesting that it always takes a couple of days for the right-wingers to regroup and formulate a defense of the administration’s latest bit of gag-reflex-inducing idiocy. I wonder why that is.
not really I don’t
Everyone is over at the other thread. I get the sense that you’re the last one to show up for the party.
No, I’ve been following that thread. The deafening absence of the Usual Suspects is pretty telling.
Like I said. Give 'em a couple of days.
They never really showed up in the thread about the Bush plan to lock people up for life without trial or representation.
Yawn its being considered, using american soldiers against insurgent leaders and there lackeys, not unions, or democratic advancements, no criminal people who have no intention of letting the Iraqi people decide for themselves what they want.
Just another useless attack on the administration, pointscoring at its worst.
Why do you see the suggestion as outrageous? Given the people involved and their track record, why do you think that paying others to kill to further US foreign policy is unlikely? It was SOP in South America.
Saying “this idea could be a good thing, provided that these militias do not end up doing the outrageous an unconcionable things that the Salvedorean death squads did” is like saying that the fox in the henhouse may well do a lot of good if he doesn’t eat the hens.
According to the OP’s cite, the plan is to train IRAQI squads, not to keep the job within the U.S. armed services.
And if you don’t think this will simply lead to the Iraqi government using these squads to stifle legitimate dissent, you’re a fucking idiot. It’s happened EVERY OTHER TIME this has been tried, like in El Salvador. Or Honduras. It will happen this time. And the next, and the next, and the next.
A fascist puppet government is well underway. Bet on it.
Dumbass, considering the OP grew up in El Salvador, I think he’s a leeeeetttle bit more qualified to speak on this than you.
So how many American heroes do we have who could pass as Iraqis?
Yeah well, I’m much more optimistic, you’re just one of those fucking losers who thinks that the intentions of the United States is to rubber stamp its hegemony on everyone and everything.
Legitimate dissent? The fuckers are shooting and killing innocents everyday, that isn’t legitimate dissent you dumb fuck, its outright terrorism.
You’re the fucking idiot, I can’t believe how many people are trying to write off the Iraqis and its government before its even started, it sickens me and because I support the government and its fight there, I get stigmatized into having to feel guilty about it, even though its right.
Seems to me people would rather see Iraq and its government completely destroyed to prove a point.
You are still a dumb fuck.
The situation is changing in Iraq, I already mentioned that deserving targets will get hit first, but many reports I have seen, regarding Allawi, show to me that dissenters will be next.
You are just suffering from the typical right wing syndrome of timeline trouble. That is: forgetting how we came here (idiocy and bad intelligence) and ignoring that we are talking about what will be coming next (with more idiocy)
Of course, you are also conveniently ignoring that right now Americans are being cannon fodder to protect the contracts of Bush’s cronies.
Even with all the bad things the USA did, I learned that dissenting voices were allowed here, that was one of the reasons why I decided to become a citizen, but IMHO the oath I took would be empty if I just shut up when irresponsible plans and analogies are considered and implemented. (Negroponte)
Speaking of losers: I did work once testing components that did go on the Tomahawk missiles that kicked Sadam’s butt in the first Gulf War, back then it felt good to know many American soldiers did not have to die thanks to good planning.
We already proved that. :wally (and consider the wink off)
And before your knee jerks: I am of the opinion that a monumental fuck up occurred when we did not start a pull out after Saddam was captured, the point then was proven.
Unfortunately, another monumental fuckup occurred by disbanding the military in Iraq: by only taking out the leadership and concentrating in making sure WMD’s were not there (protecting America was the key… what? Stop laughing! Ok lets forget it!) we could have made the bigger point to the terrorists that we are not kidding about our security, and that we respected some sovereignty, only some pressure then was then needed to ensure a new government would have a better footing and recuperation and the oil should have remained in Iraqi hands, but then another error had to happen: big corporations had to control all that and get the profit of all this, so off of Iraq’s hand remains. One is tempted on blaming all of this on just stupidity of this administration, but I believe if an error fattens the pocket book of someone, we should expect the same error to continue.
Can you read, you dumb, fucking idiot? He’s saying that the squads will be used to stifle legitimate dissent. That means people peacefully protesting and peacefully opposing the government. Why do we know this? Because that’s what happened in El Salvador and every other single place this was tried. Do you fucking know anything about history?
You probably support the government there because you enjoy watching them kill brown people. I mean, hey, the more they kill there, the fewer there will be to move in near you, right?
No, we want a democratic government to succeed. Unfortunately, we know that every single thing this government has done since overthrowing Hussein has made a successful democratic government more and more unlikely. The difference between us is that you’d rather sit there and let this administration burn Iraq to the ground and slaughter their inhabitants than admit that they’ve completely and totally bungled this entire operation from start to finish.
No fair. Pit or no Pit, no fair.
While I agree with everything else you say, especially on the dim-wittedness of this doper fellow, I have to complaint on this.
My next to last remark on the OP is a reference to a phenomenon that redeems America in the end. (Unfortunately, that takes a long time) After a big fuck up, even the right wingers allow people from the then affected nation (who by that time are full of refugees and persecuted people) to then come to America, hence the Iraqi cuisine remark, (please try Salvadorian cuisine: some relatives have a restaurant in the US! 
) of course, only if Ryan_Liam would show the capacity of following an OP to the end, we would be sure if he indeed enjoys watching brown people be obliterated.
Oh, no, sorry, can’t deal with Middle Eastern cuisine, it makes me feel awful.
You’re right. I take it back and sincerely apologize.