Well I missed the most exciting part of the game. I fell asleep and we were down. When I woke back up it was over and we lost by two. Must have been a much better game after I went to sleep.
Congratulations to the Jags’ fans.
I didn’t get to pay any attention to the game. All I could do was listen to the cheers and/or howls of the Pittsburgh fans in the newsroom.
Wait…what the hell was I thinking? No Steelers thread can truly end until the Dallas Cowboys are eliminated from Super Bowl contention.
Go Giants!
You can shovel that shit to the gullible Mr. Beef, but I know what really happened. Modell wasn’t offered one of 2 new stadiums, the deal he was offered was a new stadium for the Indians and a renovation of the Toilet Bowl. So, not only wouldn’t he be getting a new stadium with all of the luxury boxes that he needed to make money, but he would be losing the income from his main tenant. Oh what a horrible businessman he was for not leaping at that rip off. He told Cleveland that he needed a new stadium or he was going to move and they just didn’t believe him. Mayor White and his administration just couldn’t conceive of Cleveland without the Browns. Well, they went and built Gund Arena and Jacobs Field and the R&R HOF and Modell did just what he said he would do, he left. The Browns were going SOMEWHERE because the city of Cleveland took them or granted and ignored their needs. I feel no shame that Baltimore was where they went, I’m very glad of it in fact. Modell is a gentleman and a class act, and I’m glad we got him the Super Bowl victory he so richly deserved. YOU seem to be the one who is in denial about what really happened 12 years ago: Modell clearly told White “I need this in order to survive in Cleveland. If I don’t get it I am going to have to move”. White said “Dare ya”. Ooops.
Weirddave, he may not even have been alive at that point, so perhaps he has some excuse for not knowing the full story.
Hentor, your age smack is bizarre and pathetic. What does it have to do with anything? Besides that, it’s retarded. I identified my age to within a year earlier in this thread.
It’s amusing that you’re so embarassed about your stupidity and yet so completely unable to defend it that you’ve resorted to some vague “he might be young!” smack.
The funny thing that if even if you were right, what would it matter? Does years of watching the game superficially and not really understanding it somehow give you more insight than studying it in depth for less time?
As far you Dave, I’ll see if I can dig up some cites later tonight, but I’m weary of doing a lot of research on an argument where the person you’re trying to convince is uninterested in really evaluating it - that’s not really a personal insult to you, most people are like that on issues that involve emotion, it’s why I’ve mostly stayed out of GD for years.
Ignored their needs?
I’m rather surprised that a believer in free markets apparently supports the notion that one of the roles of city government is to funnel millions of dollars in public funds to private, profit-making corporations owned by multi-millionaire businessmen.
I don’t blame Modell for moving to Baltimore. Money-grubbing businessmen make rational decisions based on how much money they can get people to give them, and if Baltimore was willing to fork over more of its citizens’ cash to line Modell’s pockets, then the decision to move was a logical one.
I’m just not sure that Cleveland’s refusal to simply fork over a new stadium should be somehow seen as a moral failing on the part of the city. Personally, i think ALL cities should tell these highly profitable sports franchises to go pound sand when they come holding their hands out for public money.
I didn’t say I supported the practice or opposed it. I simply stated a fact. Modell needed a new stadium to survive financially in Cleveland, and these days, for weal or for woe, cities are expected by owners to build them (because they have shown themselves willing to do so in the past). Modell said “I need a new stadium or I’m gone.” He didn’t get one, he left. Cleveland then realized they had blundered and committed to building a new stadium, at which point the NFL guaranteed them a new team and even pitched in funds for the stadium. That IS what happened, weather it’s right or wrong is up to the individual to decide.
I wouldn’t know. I’ve never superficially watched it. I was born in Pittsburgh!
Playing football in high school also gave me pretty good insight (it was football in high school in St. Louis, mind you, so not quite the intensity of experience I would have had had I grown up in Pittsburgh).
As to the age thing, I’m just trying to nail down the source of your ignorance about the game and about its recent history.
Let’s go Giants!
It was a great start, but there is a long way to go yet. Go Giants!
Imagine what I have to go through today, and thank your lucky stars that you’re not here. For this week at least my wife gets her revenge for all the taunts and slings that I have tossed at her all season long.
Hopefully it will end here, because her insufferability will know no bounds if they win this week. May God help me if the Girls beat Green Bay.
It has been a pretty good play off season. A lot of close games. 14-14 at the half. The Giants will have to step it up though if they want to win.
Well done Giants! It was a good game right to the end.
That ain’t no fact. I said in 1995 and I’ll say it now, anybody who couldn’t make money with an NFL franchise in Cleveland couldn’t make money selling suntan lotion in Hawaii.
I missed this post.
If I’ve made ignorant statements, why don’t you attack them?
You haven’t. You’ve attacked straw men, and then tried some lame ad hominem attacks based on my age (and it’s not like I’m 15, I’m 26 FFS)
If you feel as though I’m lacking in my knowledge of the game, demonstrate that by making attacks on points THAT I ACTUALLY MADE. You seem to have concluded, after I said basically… you know, good pass blocking is a good thing, that I must be casual fickle fan of the game who only appreciates run and gun offenses or something.
You’ve displayed ignorance and stubbornness. To still steadfastly declare, all throughout the season, that I was wrong in my initial assertions about the quality of the Cleveland line, and that they’re not better than Pittsburgh’s is comically stubborn.