The genomic revolution is overrated

Genomics is overrated.

The answers to diseases will not come from the lists of genes and mutations. The system is too complex for that. Even simple “monogenic” diseases are complex states influenced by the state variation of many "normal’ genes and of environmental factors. And most diseases and characteristics are polygnic and multifactorial. Looking to find answers in one polymorphism or in variant haplotypes is going to be more of a dry well than a gusher.

Reality is that the phenotype of any individual is the result of an incrediably voluminous and interrelated mix of processes occurring in parallel. It is best visualized as a chaotic system subjected to external drivers. Progress will be made by working phenotype in, not genotype out. By thinking of various phenotypes as “attractor basins” and trying to determine what pushes the state of the system into one basin over another, rather than this excessive focus on gene products outwards.

(I’m expecting edwino here. These should be fightin’ words to a budding geneticist. ;))

A century ago, you would have a “get a horse” bumper sticker on your buggy. Give genomics time. The human genome wasn’t sequenced in a day.

People aren’t looking to cure all diseases, AFAIK, from genomic research. (and “genomics” is quite the buzzword) But they are looking toward it to conquer diseases caused by genetics, which doesn’t seem silly at all.

Many diseases are multifactorial, many diseases are complicated interactions between the genome and the environment. But this in no way diminishes the importance of genomics and proteomics. It in no way invalidates the work I do on fruit flies, or the work that the lab upstairs does in sequencing the human, mouse, rat, and Dictyostelium genomes (among others). To say otherwise is to misunderstand the potential of genomics.

One on level, you are correct. It takes complicated computations to determine linkage analyses, LOD scores, and the like which are only correlated with often rare forms of the disease. We have little way of scientifically assessing the impact of environment on disease, and identifying environmental stimuli that participate in even the most common diseases. For instance, multiple sclerosis is more common in people who spend up until age 14 in the north. We have no idea why. We can only separate phenotypes that stand 3 standard deviations apart. Etc. etc.

We obviously need more powerful techniques to identify culprits. The field of genetics is embracing computer science, supercomputing, and advanced statistics. We have people pursuing PhDs in computer science and full-fledged computer scientists in our department. We now employ many statisticians, and have a few as primary faculty. We are also developing new techniques, like gene chips, to assess changes not one gene by one gene, but hundreds or thousands of genes at a time. We are already starting to make some headway into the quagmire.

On another level, your irreducible complexity type argument is false. We start with a small lead, any lead, in humans. We move into model organisms, from bacteria through yeast, then worms and flies, and mice. The amount of work that can be done quickly, the amount of data that can be generated, and the amount of insight that can be gained is incredible. Given a good model, even complicated interregulatory networks can be dissected. I work on patterning in Drosophila, a process closely mirrored and somewhat clinically applicable all the way through humans. It is a dense network of interregulatory genes, and much of it applies all the way through higher eukaryotes.

This process is greatly facilitated by genomics. Let’s say we isolate a gene, let’s call it hABC, in a rare form of familial Alzheimer Disease. At this point we know nothing about hABC. We find a fly homolog dABC. We perform coimmunoprecipitations, binding assays, yeast two-hybrids, and modifier screens to identify binding partners and interactors of dABC in the fly – genes involved in the same or similar pathways. We use cell culture and straight biochem to identify novel function of the gene product. We use genomics to move into the mouse, identify mABC and its partners, and knock out the homologs. Lo and behold, we get a similar phenotype – let’s hope for neuronal degeneration. We then move into humans using genomics and can work through a set of candidate genes identified as potential partners of hABC. We can then start to pin more forms of Alzheimer Disease on polymorphisms and mutations in these genes. At very minimum, we end up with a detailed knowledge of how hABC is leading to Alzheimer Disease, and of how the pathology of Alzheimer Disease unfolds.

How does this apply to disease, you ask? Well, easy. The new strategy of drug design is to seek out and inhibit specific protein targets. This leads to drugs with maximal action and minimal side effects – look at the new set of AIDS drugs, which are specific HIV protease inhibitors. Protein targets are quickly identified by these methods, of which genomics is a crucial tool. If we can identify function of some of these targets (again by genomics) – let’s say one is a serine/threonine kinase – we can try out a set of kinase inhibitors to see if we can specifically inhibit one of our targets.

Lastly, there is always science for science’s sake. We didn’t go to the moon to cure disease. We didn’t sequence the genome (entirely) to cure disease. It is an incredibly useful repository of information, made free to all seekers, which eventually will serve to catalog what makes each of us human and what makes each of us different.

In the future, we hope to be able to directly and permanently modify the genome or gene transcription, by something like gene therapy or a related technique. We are not there yet. But the groundwork we are laying now will be invaluable if and when these techniques come on line. All of these things combine to give genetics and genomics a potential far too great to be ignored.

To respond one at a time -

robert, you got something against horses? A fine mode of transportation! Only emissions are fully biodegradable. I once rode a horse through the city and discovered that the animal was apparently extremely well endowed; everywhere I went people commented, “Look at that putz on the horse!” … I’m no Luddite, but I fear the excessive hype is detracting from other science that needs to get done.

erl, I’m only talking about diseases advertised as genetic. “Silly”? No. But very premature and way overhyped.

edwino, very well stated reply. But do not respond to what I have not said! I only attacked the hype of genomics. Part of my point is that proteomics and other areas are being relatively ignnored.

Let us recap where we are today. The human genome has been sequenced. The prediction was made that SNPs would be found that predicted phenotypes and the code would be broken. What a surprise! It is not so simple. Now $110 million is being earmarked for the HapMap. Despite the fact that the central assumption of the HapMap, that common diseases are caused by common mutations, is quite probably untrue, instead (and as stated in the May 24th Science)

I appreciate your scenerio, but it is based on that same underlying assumption. Even if hABC is found to be associated with Alzheimers, it is a big jump to the knockout having a meaningfully similar phenotype, and a bigger leap to believing that other varients of this gene are responsible for much more than this one rare form of the disease.

I was moved to this post by a commentary in May’s issue of The Journal of Pediatrics. The author illustrates how even the most straightforward “monogenic” diseases show complexity.

Genomics is sexy right now. It is seducing the best and brightest to jump into its bed. How many of the best of your incoming generation of researchers are studying genomics? How many are studying proteomics? How much money is being used to fund proteomics research compared to genomics? And how about after you discount that exclusively focused on spongiform encephalitis?

I love science for its own sake. All I’m really claiming is that the mapping is over-rated. What is being expressed where and when, what influences a sequence to fold this way or that, or be processed to clip off that bit or keep it, what allows a particular environmental factor to have a particular result or prevents it … all these questions are what need to be answered before genomics can really result in clinical enlightenment. I am arguing for more balance.

Let me illustrate with the disease of my own greatest interest: autism. The quantity of genes somewhat associated with autism is huge! Yet not one of them “causes” autism; normals cary the same genes as well. Why then is this such a fairly distinct phenotype? The answer is not going to come from the genome; it is going to come from an understanding of how the system operates such that a variety of genomic and/or environmental insults result in a common phenotype. Such an understanding may lead to a more informed view of the genetics involved.

For the last couple of years, the international non-life actuarial society (ASTIN) has heard presentations on this question, at least as it affects insurance. In the short run, DSeid, most of the presenters have seen things your way. E.g., genetic testing is not expected to cause some immediate revolution in health care or health insurance.

In the longer run, I, for one, am terribly excited about “designer babies.” Can you imagine a race of humans with a 50% higher IQ? Think how much faster and more efficiently they will be able to detroy the planet. :wink:

No freakin’ duh!!! (sorry for the rude tone, but going with gut reaction there as someone actually mentioned what i do here) I do SNPs, i do them every freakin’ day. There are 3 million known or suspected SNPs out of 3 billion basepairs. our lab has characterised almost 50,000 of the SNPs. (That’s 1.7 percent for you folks playing along at home) We are one of the leading labs chacterizing SNPs (i believe we are #1, but haven’t been i updated lately and we just moved across the country, so may have slipped below our competitors for the time being).

You seem to be arguing for phenotypes in the OP, but later want proteins to be the new queen. Hey, guess what codes the proteins? it ain’t legos!!! And there are protein people now, it’s just the money goes to the genome people. you gotta have money to do science, this isn’t the Land of Oz!

People who think there is one gene for Alzhiemers or for Schizophrenia are dumber than rocks. We’ve caught pretty much every disease that is that simple already (Sickel Cell, Cystic Fibrosis – it’s not like the pre-sequencing scientists were inept, they did their jobs well, too). Most of the hype problem is when idiot journelist whose only exposure to science is the volcano they made in sixth grade get dumb ideas and say stupid things on the news, causing other dumb journelists to repeat them (can you guess i went to a school full of idiotice journelism majors that had news reports that were actually painful to watch? One guy’s bread story during finals week made blood shoot out of my eyes and caused me to pee my pants. Luckily it was finals week and everyone was doing that, but i digress…). Blame the press, not the scientists. I say we burn down USA Today!!!

Sorry Tars if I give the impression that protein should be queen. It just is my illustration of one of the steps between that need to get fleshed out as well. Like you say, they aint getting the press and aint getting the cash. Meanwhile HapMap gets $110 mill. (You got some job security, man) But sticking with the proteins, there is more to the protein than its code. There is postproduction processing, the snips, the folds, there is the control of when it gets expressed and where. Blame the press, but also blame the scientists contributing to the hype as they jockey for dollars.

DSeid
I wrote two pages or so in response to you, but I deleted it all because I think I say this very simply.

If your beef is with HapMap alone, we can debate all day the technical projects going on in the HGP and their relative worth. These don’t consist your OP “genomics revolution,” so I will try to steer away from this. Personally I think that HapMap is still a good idea, but I dunno if it is a $110 million good idea. It will eventually probably generate more than $110 million in revenue, all you need is a few good drug targets or diagnostic tests.

I think you have a skewed idea of proteomics:

This is mostly genetics and genomics, not proteomics. Only posttranslational processing is really what I would classify as proteomics.

Also you have a skewed idea of genomics. Nobody ever claimed that having a disease-causing gene cloned into lambda phage sitting in a test tube would cure disease. Nobody ever claimed that the current assembly of the human genome sitting on an NIH website would cure someone of Parkinson Disease. It is just a tool; classification of disease causing loci is just a step up on a ladder to treating disease.

It becomes very hard to draw a firm line in the sand between what you are criticizing as being overrated (the genomic revolution) and what you are propping up to be the real pot o’ gold (proteomics and everything else, including studies of environmental cues). As Tars has pointed out, no piece really stands by itself. Proteomics is kind of a fancy veneer on top of the genomics/genetics scaffold. Whole genome shotgun and SNP studies feed into gene prediction programs. Predicted genes are analyzed by homology searches to be related to already known proteins. Chip data is used to analyze transcriptional control. Finally proteomics sits on top of all of this, with large scale identification of common posttranslational modification and biochemical interactions.

As to why we focus on genetics and genomics, well obviously it forms the basis to almost everything. Also, nucleic acids are far easier to work with than proteins. Our techniques to manipulate, produce, engineer, and isolate nucleic acids are far superior to ones needed to do the same in proteins. The computer software to deal with large scale analysis of sequence and expression data is far more accurate and accepted than that which predicts protein function. In short, things are much easier and faster in nucleic acids, so we flock to them.

The candidate gene approach to disease is a well-proven method for understanding disease pathology. All we need is a foot in the door to a disease in humans. This often comes from rare familial forms that we can pin to a specific locus. Not being able to do experiments in humans, this is the only way to identify specific loci involved in disease processes. These rare diseases share a pathology with the common form of the disease. No matter how complicated the disease, our studies of the (relatively simple) rare form give us insights into the common pathology. For instance, cholinergic neurodegeneration in Alzheimer disease, dopaminergic neurodegeneration in Parkinsonism, motor neuron degeneration in ALS, and almost any type of cancer. We never claimed that much sporadic disease would be linked to the one locus in the rare form.

Evolution dictates that the one gene product implicated in disease in humans works the same way in mouse or flies. We use it as bait in our fishing expedition. Evolution dictates that some genes identified in the same pathway in mouse or flies are similar all the way back to humans. It is those genes in which we are interested. It is those genes that may be involved in common sporadic disease. Detection of mutations in those genes may be our next diagnostic tests. Chemical modifiers of the activity of those gene products may be our next drugs. Those genes also form our next bait in our next fishing expedition. This way we efficiently identify the genes linked to a disease, their products’ function, and their role in pathology.

Proteomics is of course quite necessary, but as of right now is not a suitable efficient strategy for dissecting this kind of problem. We lack the knowledge, techniques, and skills to do it. That’s why we don’t fund projects at the same level – we are unclear if they will work as well as the proven cashcow genomics.

There is a lot of money flowing into these projects right now with very uncertain benefits. Such is the nature of science. Some of it is going to be wasted on poor projects, some of it is going to pay off big. None of us can say at such a formative stage if the hype is overrated or underrated.

Skewed? A good word; it is exactly what my beef is!

“No piece really stands by itself.”

Genetic reseach is important. No doubt. And within the HGP I have not the expertise to decide if HapMap is money well spent or not.

But the scientific community, in its justified need to defend research like therpeutic cloning, has begun to promise exactly the things that you say no one is promising.

And the new researchers follow the dollars and the hype.

(And BTW, evolution does NOT dictate “that the one gene product implicated in disease in humans works the same way in mouse or flies.” Much of evolution has been the application of established gene products for novel purposes, in differerent locations at different times, occassionally with modified post-translational processing or with modifications at target receptors. Heck, within the same organism the same product serves different functions in different locations and at different developmental points! It is this sort of complexity that is getting short shrift.)

But you express my biggest concern:

I love reading about string theory. I think research on it is vital. But I do not look to string theory for understanding of the genome. The most fundamental level of analysis is not always the most useful for the question being asked. Right now, your absolute reductionist philosophy is holding court for questions of disease causation and hoped for treatments. It has become very “skewed” and I am arguing that for more balance, more phenotype-in to offset all the genotype-out, with the hope that they eventually meet.

Genomics “is just a tool.” When all you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail? :wink: A good tool. An important tool. But the biological sciences is becoming a bunch of carpenters hammering at everything they see and promising the public that they’ll soon have a house as a result.

You got whooshed, DSeid. Around the turn of the century, automobiles sucked, and protomotorists had to endure jeers of “Get a horse!” when their cars broke down yet again. Fast-forward 100 years. Any questions?

When the Genome project is done the Proteome project (already begun) is next. The Proteome is much more complicated than the Genome. Here is a page that explains it all pretty well. Sure, it is a process. Sure, the things we want to achieve are often more difficult than we had hoped. Every unlocked door reveals 100 more doors whose locks we must pick.

But progress is made. Every single day. What we have accomplished already is amazing. Humans can control electronics by thinking. The damage caused by Parkinson’s disease has been repaired in rats. Alzheimers is next. Once we master the tech in mice, and then primates, we will move onto humans. I’m confident that in the next 20 years we will eliminate many diseases. I’m also pretty confident that they will be able to build organs made to order from your own cells in the near future. A ton of progress has been made there.

Currently, the human life expectancy has been increasing by about 1/4 of a year per year. The new technologies are shaping up to give us a chance to move that up to at least 1 year per year. Once that is accomplished, immortality is possible. They have already doubled the life-spans of certain worms and fruit flies. Aging will most likely be beaten by these sciences. Has it all happened yet? No. Is it coming? You bet your ass it is - as long as we don’t destroy ourselves first. Granted, that is a very real danger given the current infestation of violent religious extremists in the world, combined with the proliferation of WOMD, but that’s a can of worms for a different thread.

Overrated? Come on! The first real chance humanity has at ending aging and death are direct results of Genomics. It’ll take alot more work, but damn if they haven’t turned magic into mechanics already. More power to them.

DaLovin’ Dj

DSeid, I have no particular expertise in genomic or proteomic research, so I can’t argue for or against you on that basis. So let me offer my input from a different angle.

Your position is that genomics is hyped and over-rated relative to other areas of research, such that a disproportionate amount of energy and financial resources have been invested in it. As a result, you perceive that other areas of research which might yield more useful, tangible results are being neglected. To counter this, you are “arguing for more balance” between genomics and other areas of research.

Fair enough. I can’t argue for or against these perceptions themselves, but for the moment let’s assume that they are correct. How then would you like to see the imbalance redressed, and balance re-established, in a society governed in large part by freedom of choice, freedom of speech (including the press) and a capitalist economy? Tars suggests that the imbalance you perceive is a largely the result of journalistic, not scientific, hyper-focus. Now, the scientists who have posted to this thread don’t seem to be involved in genomics or proteomics because of the “hype”. They acknowledge that this work is far more complex, and farther away from any sort of absolute promise or guarantee, than the press might lead the general public to believe. They are doing this work because it interests them and because they believe it is worthwhile, whether as an area of fundamental research or applied research or both. They are free to choose where to put their energy and efforts, just as private investors are free to invest wherever they like.

In short: what would this balance be, and how would you achieve it?

dalovindj … you are lumping all of medical progress into one homogenous chunk, but nevertheless are illustrative of the hype. Glad that you are here!

As you said, “Come on!” To the others I submit to you this intelligent well read human being (I’ve respected his thoughts on many other threads) who is believing such pie in the sky. And it hasn’t been overhyped?

Jerevan,

Yes. The scientists posting here have a realistic assessment. They know that progress won’t be as dalovindj imagines. That the likely reality is more often going to be that a complex variety of genes control each biological process, that the same gene product has multiple functions. That both the same gene will have a different phenotypic result in a different miliue, and that the same phenotype may result from a wide variety of genotypes and environmental factors. They do not expect the quick or simple answer. But even among intelligient people (and I could name many doctors, who you’d think would know better) such is not appreciated. How would I influence the choices scientists make?

  1. Money. Tars is gainfully employed SNPing away because society’s representatives have determined it is more worthwhile than other competing potential projects. edwino studies are contigent upon his mentor’s lab’s funding. I’d suspect that he became enamoured because of exposure to a lab doing funded and interesting research. If other fields were better funded, then he, and other of the incoming best and brightest, would have more exposure to well funded labs doing exciting research in other areas too.

  2. The educational system and journals. These institutions of science both follow the lead of investigators and lead. What perspectives get top billling in the most prestigious journals? What subjects get the deepest exposure in advanced programs? I’ll illustrate. When I went to med school 20 years ago I hung out with the MD/PhD crowd. Why did did they choose to do their PhD work almost exclusively in immunology and genetics? Because they had been taught that those were the hot areas. Because of educational exposure and the availability of mentors.

  3. Money. (Important enough to mention twice.)

What would I love to see? More work on fleshing out the perspective of phenotypes as common end points in complex systems … the concept of phenotypes as attractor basins … and developing the means to determine what kinds of factors will influence which basin an organism ends up in. THEN looking for the genes that might code those factors.

DSeid:

What you are arguing about is not genomics and genetics. What you are arguing for is more evidence based medicine, for more science in diagnosis. Genomics will only help us acheive that. For this post I will completely ignore the enormous boon that genomics will eventually have on treatment and expound only on its role in diagnosis.

I am an MD/PhD student. I have completed six months of clinical rotations, I know how differential diagnosis and lab testing works. The art of the physical exam and of making a diagnosis is a beautiful part of medicine and I do not wish to change it. A good history and physical may turn up a bunch of findings, each with associated confidence interval, that you can string together to form a diagnosis. Much of the time, though, even with a battery of lab tests, you end up with a list of several diseases for your nebulous findings. Or a diagnosis with no data on the pathogenesis.

This is where genomics and the study of gene function enters the picture. We use genomics and genetics to make more specific, more sensitive lab tests to accurately pin down a diagnosis. We can begin to computerize phenotypic data by analyzing standardized levels of gene expression on a chip. We can use what we know about the disease to do sound science in model organisms and find out its pathology.

Let’s take a disease of unknown etiology, let’s say Wegener’s granulomatosis. Patient presents with lung and kidney problems. 75 years ago, we depended on nebulous often subjective findings on auscultation and chest X-ray and nonspecific granulomas on biopsy stained with H&E. 20 years ago we added advanced imaging into the mix – now we see some objective, classifiable symptoms. 10 years ago we started with immunohistochemistry to nail it down even further. What about the future? Let’s take a very rare form of familial granulomatosis and trace down a few genes. Use mice to expand our knowledge of the pathology. We use genomics and genetics to nail down the pathogenesis of the disease in humans. We then move these into diagnostic tools using polymorphism detections, phenotyping with gene chips, etc.

Your phenotypic attractor basin – lung and kidney problems or maybe granulomatosis – can be dissected with genetics. We can answer what pathologic processes are responsible for both lung and kidney problems (formation of immune complexes comes to mind as a possible target). We can answer what stimuli result in the body’s response of granulomatosis. We can break down different inputs into the attractor basin by looking at the pathological processes casued by specific breaks in the pathway. We can even attempt to go after these breaks in the pathway, so that we may narrow our eventual treatment.

Now, we treat Wegener’s granulomatosis with a relatively nasty immunocompromising agent, cyclophosphamide. We have to repress the entire immune system in order to treat the disease. Genomics will give us the ability to pin down the specific arm of the immune system which is compromised and specifically treat that arm.

DSeid:

What you are arguing about is not genomics and genetics. What you are arguing for is more evidence based medicine, for more science in diagnosis. Genomics will only help us acheive that. For this post I will completely ignore the enormous boon that genomics will eventually have on treatment and expound only on its role in diagnosis.

I am an MD/PhD student. I have completed six months of clinical rotations, I know how differential diagnosis and lab testing works. The art of the physical exam and of making a diagnosis is a beautiful part of medicine and I do not wish to change it. A good history and physical may turn up a bunch of findings, each with associated confidence interval, that you can string together to form a diagnosis. Much of the time, though, even with a battery of lab tests, you end up with a list of several diseases for your nebulous findings. Or a diagnosis with no data on the pathogenesis.

This is where genomics and the study of gene function enters the picture. We use genomics and genetics to make more specific, more sensitive lab tests to accurately pin down a diagnosis. We can begin to computerize phenotypic data by analyzing standardized levels of gene expression on a chip. We can use what we know about the disease to do sound science in model organisms and find out its pathology.

Let’s take a disease of unknown etiology, let’s say Wegener’s granulomatosis. Patient presents with lung and kidney problems. 75 years ago, we depended on nebulous often subjective findings on auscultation and chest X-ray and nonspecific granulomas on biopsy stained with H&E. 20 years ago we added advanced imaging into the mix – now we see some objective, classifiable symptoms. 10 years ago we started with immunohistochemistry to nail it down even further. What about the future? Let’s take a very rare form of familial granulomatosis and trace down a few genes. Use mice to expand our knowledge of the pathology. We use genomics and genetics to nail down the pathogenesis of the disease in humans. We then move these into diagnostic tools using polymorphism detections, phenotyping with gene chips, etc.

Your phenotypic attractor basin – lung and kidney problems or maybe granulomatosis – can be dissected with genetics. We can answer what pathologic processes are responsible for both lung and kidney problems (formation of immune complexes comes to mind as a possible target). We can answer what stimuli result in the body’s response of granulomatosis. We can break down different inputs into the attractor basin by looking at the pathological processes casued by specific breaks in the pathway. We can even attempt to go after these breaks in the pathway, so that we may narrow our eventual treatment.

Now, we treat Wegener’s granulomatosis with a relatively nasty immunocompromising agent, cyclophosphamide. We have to repress the entire immune system in order to treat the disease. Genomics will give us the ability to pin down the specific arm of the immune system which is compromised and specifically treat that arm.

DSeid:

What you are arguing about is not genomics and genetics. What you are arguing for is more evidence based medicine, for more science in diagnosis. Genomics will only help us acheive that. For this post I will completely ignore the enormous boon that genomics will eventually have on treatment and expound only on its role in diagnosis.

I am an MD/PhD student. I have completed six months of clinical rotations, I know how differential diagnosis and lab testing works. The art of the physical exam and of making a diagnosis is a beautiful part of medicine and I do not wish to change it. A good history and physical may turn up a bunch of findings, each with associated confidence interval, that you can string together to form a diagnosis. Much of the time, though, even with a battery of lab tests, you end up with a list of several diseases for your nebulous findings. Or a diagnosis with no data on the pathogenesis.

This is where genomics and the study of gene function enters the picture. We use genomics and genetics to make more specific, more sensitive lab tests to accurately pin down a diagnosis. We can begin to computerize phenotypic data by analyzing standardized levels of gene expression on a chip. We can use what we know about the disease to do sound science in model organisms and find out its pathology.

Let’s take a disease of unknown etiology, let’s say Wegener’s granulomatosis. Patient presents with lung and kidney problems. 75 years ago, we depended on nebulous often subjective findings on auscultation and chest X-ray and nonspecific granulomas on biopsy stained with H&E. 20 years ago we added advanced imaging into the mix – now we see some objective, classifiable symptoms. 10 years ago we started with immunohistochemistry to nail it down even further. What about the future? Let’s take a very rare form of familial granulomatosis and trace down a few genes. Use mice to expand our knowledge of the pathology. We use genomics and genetics to nail down the pathogenesis of the disease in humans. We then move these into diagnostic tools using polymorphism detections, phenotyping with gene chips, etc.

Your phenotypic attractor basin – lung and kidney problems or maybe granulomatosis – can be dissected with genetics. We can answer what pathologic processes are responsible for both lung and kidney problems (formation of immune complexes comes to mind as a possible target). We can answer what stimuli result in the body’s response of granulomatosis. We can break down different inputs into the attractor basin by looking at the pathological processes casued by specific breaks in the pathway. We can even attempt to go after these breaks in the pathway, so that we may narrow our eventual treatment.

Now, we treat Wegener’s granulomatosis with a relatively nasty immunocompromising agent, cyclophosphamide. We have to repress the entire immune system in order to treat the disease. Genomics will give us the ability to pin down the specific arm of the immune system which is compromised and specifically treat that arm.

DSeid, points well-taken. No doubt that much money and many researchers are attracted by the latest “hot area” of research, and this leads to kind of disproportion or imbalance which concerns you. But your points also suggest, obliquely, that the scientists working in a “hot area” are motivated primarily by money (funding and/or compensation) and what we might call the glamour or cachet of working in that field. This may happen in some cases, but can we really say these are the only significant motivators? To do so would suggest that scientists are like moths to a f(l)ame, unable to make some kind of independent assessment of different research efforts, unable to choose an area of research as much for reasons of scientific or personal interest as any other. This seems simplistic to me; in my own scientific community, the motivations seemed to be more layered and more complex than that.

Jerevan, And as a function of exposure. The role models are those with well funded labs. Hard to be turned on to something that you see very little of.

edwino, I am apparently unclear. No, I am not arguing for more EBM (and we could have a whole thread on what gets called EBM today and is in realitiy anything but!) Nor am I focused on dx. (Another whole thread on the nature of ddx thought processes; on recognizing fit and recognizing misfit.) I am discussing the unravelling of the physiology and pathophys. And that the fruits of genomics are a longer way away than the even the educated portion of the public is led to believe.

Our lab is setting up to do that from both ends. Out here in SF, we have access to a larger pool of patients that have asthma, and are preparing a collaberation to search for genetic factors. (but i am not convinced asthma is all genetics, probably just a predisposition to develop asthma, but the triggers are probably environmental for many people, especially with the upsurgance of asthma lately)