Yeah! We mapped the human genome! Now some questions

All of these are based on what might (probably will) happen in the not-too-distant future, based on our ability to evaluate an individual’s genetic code:

1. Who has a right to your genetic information? You and your doctor and no one else? The government? Can hospitals provide the info to insurers, pharmaceutical companies, etc., even anonymously?

2. What will an individual’s responsibilities be for their genetic information? If you know you have a genetic predisposition to potentially pass on diabetes or certain cancers, do you have a moral obligation to tell that to your spouse, before attempting to conceive a child?

3. Will parents have a moral obligation to alter the genetic make-up of their unborn child to eliminate the potential for terminal diseases? And if they don’t have such a procedure done, will it be their responsibilty to pay any subsequent medical expenses?

4. Will genetic ‘fixes’ to eradicate certain diseases in the unborn be done based on people’s ability to pay for the procedure? Will only the poor die of cancer, diabetes and other genetically rooted diseases in the future?

5. What level of genetic manipulation will be morally and ethically acceptible? Potential disease eradication only, or can you alter hair and eye color, height and weight potentials?

(Ever see the movie “Gattaca?” Not so science-fictiony now, is it?)

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the actual application of much of what you are suggesting so far in the future that it need not even be debated yet?

Needs2know

These aren’t questions, Milossarian, these are horribly tough questions! As human beings I think we tend to wait until too late or nearly too late to start debating tough issues like these.

Nature has some comments or news about the possible results of mapping the human genome almost every week.

Some countries have already gone ahead with legislation but won’t we just fall to the level of the lowest common denominator? If a scientist cannot do his/her work in the USA or Japan, they will go to Finland or France or somewhere else. If the services required to make a gentic change to cure a cancer is not available here, at least the rich will travel to the country where the service is available.

the answers lie somewhere within the context of an undefined idealism, self-interest, and common practicality. time will tell.

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Hopefully, like all medical records, these will be confidential. Of course, with third-party payers like insurance companies, sdme medical information is divulged under condition of them selling you insurance (if I remember Medical Ethics correctly). The AMA (an organization which I do not always support) is petioning for stronger doctor-patient confidentiality rules – right now, police and government agencies with a warrant have the right to look at these. The AMA feels that this may destroy part of the relationship (for instance reduce the willingness of an illegal immigrant to come in for treatment of tuberculosis).
Hopefully, it will have consequences to right of access to genetic information.

We are already at this age. For example, an individual with Huntington’s disease has a 50% chance of passing on the disease to his/her offspring. This disease has onset in the mid-40s to 100% affected by the mid-50s, leading to psychosis and movement disorder. At diagnosis, it is an person’s right to tell or not to tell her children. This has all kinds of ramifications :
a) If the child is told and tested at 20 years old and tests positive, this gives him 20-30 years left to live.
b) If the child is positive and doesn’t know, he can pass it on with 50% probability. Since prenatal screening exists, this may affect the choice for termination/not having children.

We are talking of the far future here. Just like any medical procedure, you would have the right to refuse. It is just like nowadays you can refuse prenatal testing and prenatal vitamins to increase the health of the fetus. All this talk about genome science, however, takes out a big factor : environment. Most onset/progression of disease is not genetically predetermined. All genetics does is give us relative risks. For instance, if a person is genetically at risk for cancer, but leads a clean life and avoids risk factors like smoking and UV, the risk factors in some situations disappear. This is like asking if a smoker, knowing the risks of smoking, should pay for his treatment of lung cancer. The problem is, if you were to look hard enough, you would find disease genes in all of us. Nobody’s perfect.

As an MD/PhD student focusing on genetics, I hope to be in the forefront of designing genetic therapies. In 20-50 years, with increasing success of gene therapy and increased automation, these therapies will hopefully not only be incredibly effective but also far cheaper. They will be able to be synthesized in huge quantities cheaply by growing it in cell/yeast/bacterial culture. I see it as a great leveller. But, unless we find a reasonable public health care alternative in the USA, it will continue to be like any medical therapy. The most advanced therapies will first be availible to those who can pay for them.

I see this like surgery and cosmetic surgery. I think of it as “gene surgery.” Gene therapy will be designed to first and foremost take care of the most pressing problems - cancers, maybe heart disease, and congenital genetic disease, just like surgery started with Caesarian sections, field amputations, and sewing gashes back together. After gene therapy becomes old hat, the financial lure of genetically growing new hair may be too big to ignore.

Remember, we are talking about the far future here. We can barely manipulate the genomes of human cells specifically designed for growing in culture. We are so far off from most gene therapies (especially ones which would alter the heritable material in the sperm and eggs) that this is mostly wild speculation. The applications of the HGP that we are being bombarded with by the media are beyond our goals for the next 10 years.

With 50-100,000 genes in the genome, we will all find out that we are at risk for something. I hope this will not be a bad thing – we will be able to tailor our lives and our medical therapies to accomodate those risks. 1 in 3 get cancer. 1 in 2 get heart disease. We will die, even if the genome is 100% sequenced.

Here we go with my pitiful understanding of this subject. In order to be concerned about the implications of human genetic engineering we have to understand just how far we are from actually understanding it all. This is what I have learned about this new discovery in a very, very, simplified version.

While they have mapped the genome by 97% this is by no way the end of the road. Evidently along with all the genes that actually do things there are quite a few genes that don’t do squat. I’ve forgotten what they call these “do nothing” genes. Now the trick is to find out which genes actually contribute. This can turn out to be a long process, because doing so will entail using pretty much a process of trial and error.

So, looking at it this way…Scientists will do what, start at the beginning of the strand and work their way down, determining gene by gene what does what? Or do they have the know how yet to target certain types of genes in order to look for something specific, like eye color? It would be my contention that something as trivial and mundane as eye color would be on the bottom of the list. Science will most likely look for the genes that will create the most impact for their career and science. I’m thinking that they will indeed look for genetic factors that most people will find beneficial, such as genes that carry disease or genetic disorders. Worrying about the legal and moral implications may be still a little far off.

Needs2know

Needs2Know is (and here I combine my own pitiful knowledge with hers) correct in her posts. Mapping the genome is still a far cry from knowing what everything does. We just know where all the A T C and Gs are. As Needs2Know mentioned, most of the stuff is rubbish, and we don’t necessarily know what the rest does.

But here are my opinions:

1.) I suspect in the US it will be like other medical information, and thus confidential, though I betcha insurance compaines might lobby to get the info. Keep in mind too, for most things, having a gene that predisposes you to get an illness doesn’t mean you DEFINATELY will. There are exceptions of course, like Huntington’s.

2.) I suspect that will the individual’s choice. Barring the high-impact diseases like Huntington’s I doubt you’ll see much change in mating practices. I remembering that everyone is likely to be a carrier for 1-4 bad genetic traits.

3.) THIS is a tough call. I doubt it would happen cuz tinkering with genes could cause all kinds of unforseen problems.

4.) I haven’t a single doubt.

5.) Perhaps enough to eliminate some insidious genetic illnesses like Huntington’s, Parkinsons, cystic fibrosis, etc. Probably not the eye color/ sex of the child stuff.

It seems important to remember “the ickiness factor” in discussing these advances.

  • Sir John Eric Ericksen, British surgeon, appointed Surgeon-Extraordinary to Queen Victoria, 1873 said:

When heart surgery was first performed, it was viewed with horror by many and rejected as apparently immoral. Today it’s a normal procedure. We need to be careful not to dismiss out of hand advances that offend our contemporary sensibilities.

Damn the [/b ]s. Damn them straight to hell. Sorry guys.

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I assume that by “your genetic information” you mean that subset of your DNA that differs from the “eigen-human”, as the vast majority of genetic code is identical amongst humans and even many species.

I don’t think I have a “right” to the sequence of nucleic acids that define who I am. What exactly would this mean? The sequence is useless until analyzed, it’s just a bunch of gibberish until someone asks a question about it. That’s where privacy comes in.

If a doctor performs a genetic test for some malady the results of that test shoud be, and already are, private.

We already allow medical data to be divulged after it has been stripped of identifying information. Why should information derived from genetic testing be any different?

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I certainly would tell my spouse, but that is a personal decision. I don’t think that it is wise to require people to reveal information about themselves, and certainly it is unwise to punish people for refusing to do so.

What is the responsibility of a parent who refuses to get their child immunized? Parents have wide latitude in deciding what is best for their children. What if somone has a religious objection to haveing genetic engineering performed on their child? Do we force someone to do something which they would view as “playing God”? We must allow people to make their own choices, even if by doing so they are exposing themselves to what we would see as unreasonable danger.

As it stands now most new procedures are available based on the patients ability to pay. If you want the latest experimental procedure, then you will have to pay for it as your insurance will likely deny the claim. New drugs are fantastically expensive, and as a result, are not availble to people who can’t afford them. The problem you describe is not limited to genetic medicine.

What level of surgical manipulation should be morally or ethically acceptable? If I want to have horns implanted on my head, should I be allowed to? What difference does it make if the horns are implanted surgically or if the genes for horns are inserted into my DNA?

IMHO there are few fundamentally new questions raised by the cataloging of the human genome. Genetic data is no different than any other medical information. Genetic medicine is no different than conventional medicine in terms of social policy. If I prescribe a drug to cure you, or prescribe a genetic modification, the desired result is the same. Altering your own genes for aesthetic is no different morally than getting your hair dyed having breast implants.

gEEk

I just wanted to fill in some details regarding avalongod’s and Needs2know’s posts.

Heterochromatin constitutes one to two percent of the missing gaps in the decoding effort. This substance is repetitive in the DNA structure and cannot be decoded using current technological methods. Given such circumstances, Milossarian, I doubt that your questions and concerns are anything more than hypothetical in nature at this juncture.

Needs2know wrote:

Pseudogenes.

There are also spaces between the genes filled in with do-nothing patterns called introns. This is analogous to the silent space between songs on a cassette, or to the leader at the beginning of a film reel.

I’m aware that these are currently hypothetical questions. But I also think some here are underestimating how quickly things may advance now. Particularly as the memory and speed of computers continues to grow by leaps and bounds. (Didn’t one of genome mapping interest’s super-computers crack the human code in only a matter of months?)

I’ve talked to some medical professors about this recently, and more than one said we will likely see the possibility of eradication of certain diseases through genetic manipulation within the next generation (I would take that to mean within the next 75 years or so.)

That ain’t tomorrow, but that also ain’t all that far off.

And I say to that Milosarian…how wonderful! The eradication of certain diseases, I simply can’t find anything wrong with that end despite the means.

Needs2know