…er…probably not the hills of Georgia though…
This is a very weird thread.
The ten guides, OTOH, don’t seem weird at all. I don’t necessarily agree with them all to the same degree, but to me they are basically cute pithy words of advice. A kind of “Desiderata” for the 90’s. What’s the big deal?
Well, the implication that we must eliminate 9/10ths of the current world population doesn’t seem too “cute” or “pithy” to me…
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Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. Typical “We will be saved but the rest of you are useless and going to Hell!” mentality. This figure is plain silly - the planet can maintain billions of us “in balance”.
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Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity. Sieg Heil! - it’s a convenient step towards eliminating the “unfit”.
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Unite humanity with a living new language.Maybe. . .Ich weiss nicht. . .German?
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Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.As we all see from the debates on this board, there is NO possibility of ruling faith with reason. Or passion. OR the fool who wrote this crap.
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Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts. It’s called the Constitution.
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Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.This one certainly reeks of NWO-mentality. Let’s all have a world army too, right?
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Avoid petty laws and useless officials.Amen to that - the very next time I’m caught by the cops after a high speed chase, I will tell them I was simply following Commandment #7 and give them the secret handshake! We all know why it’s the Fraternal Order of Police, right?
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Balance personal rights with social duties.I’m sure I’ll grow to love my new social duties in the brave new world.
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Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite."Thou Shalt Hug Thy Neighbor, Too."
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.Leave room for nature? - You mean by erecting huge, ugly stone abominations all over the beautifull countryside? I see.
Hell is Other People.
- Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
----- Yeah, this is definitely not good. I misread the number the first time.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
----- This one starts out smacking of aryan eugenics, but what do they mean by “diversity”?
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
----- Like English or Esperanto, no problem. Improved communication would be nice.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
----- “Moderation in all things.” Not a new concept.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
----- Also not a new idea. We’ve been working at this for millenia.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
----- We already have a World Court in the UN. Who objects to it?
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
----- I just love petty laws and useless officials. Don’t you?
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
----- Freedom of speech et al. Pay taxes and vote.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
----- Too vague to comment on. I’ll pass.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.
----- Recycle your cans and bottles. Only you can prevent forest fires.
Krispy-- Thomas Paine also wrote the book Common Sense, a volume that most of our Founding Fathers regarded as the document that inspired the creation of our Republic.
Then again, you seem to be entirely unfamiliar with Common Sense. 
I advise that you purchase a copy. You need it.
Oh, by the way Krispy; you ever hear of an sshl* name Contestant #3? He skipped town recently , & still owes me his bail money.
Is an appreciation of beauty a function of the human soul?
Dunno, to me a lot of the wording seems like it’s off the label of Dr. Bronner’s Peppermint Castille soap.
Keith
You want brilliance BEFORE I’ve had my coffee!!!
You’re all putting a very uncharitable interpretation on what reads to me like the tenets of a pseudo-hippie commune; well, perhaps more like the manifesto of the techno-realists. There are peaceful movements to reduce the Earth’s population and maintain a certain level that’s considered to be sustainable.
You’re all putting a very uncharitable interpretation on what reads to me like the tenets of a pseudo-hippie commune; well, perhaps more like the manifesto of the techno-realists. There are peaceful movements to reduce the Earth’s population and maintain a certain level that’s considered to be sustainable.
Actually, the Radio Liberty site is scarier than anything implied by the Georgia guidestones.
hansel,
Since you brought it up, please explain peaceful ways to reduce the current population of the earth by 9/10ths.
I’m all ears.
(I just know I’m gonna hate myself in the morning.
Krispy Original:
Do you have any idea where I can find a link on the Georgia Guidestones that isn’t carried by somebody with an ax to grind? I’ve tried some search engines, but they seem to deal either with local tourism boosters, or New Age-type Shirley MacLaine fan clubs, or, as in the case of the link you posted, right-wing Art-Bell-is-a-journalist, the-X-Files-is-a newsmagazine, MIB-was-a-documentary, idjits.
I’m a little suspicious as to the repetition of the phrase “Leave room for Nature.” I wonder if it’s repeated in all eight languages. If, as I suspect, it was the result of a quality control failure on the part of the contractors, who’s to say that the upper population limit was not also a transcription error?
It’s unfortunate that Liberty Radio seemed to have no desire to investigate this monument any further than to confirm that the work was done by a contractor, by commission from a mysteriously anonymous individual. Was payment made before the work was completed? Was any inspection of the final product ever undertaken by the customer? Are the messages accurately ranslated among the eight languages presented?
Oh, and since when was the United States of America founded on the traditions of Judaism/Christianity?
I once speculated that you (under a different screen name) had yet to demonstrate that you were not a responsible skeptic. You are quite nearly there.
KO, I don’t know that the Guidestone message was meant to imply anything about means.
I mean, I think it would be nice to have fewer people on the planet. I support NPG. Birth control is peaceful, isn’t it? (For some, it is not, but you’ve never struck me as a hardcore Catholic). But saying that the path to happiness is to have only 500 m. people on Earth says nothing at all about how to get there. I see it as more of an ideal.
As for the NWO and EOWG (Evil One-World Government) viewpoints, I see your point. But I think you might be reading too much into it. These “pithy” rules are almost entirely without context, and not worth worrying about. They won’t be able to bring about an NWO on their own, and without a more substantial framework they won’t convince anyone who doesn’t already buy into the most puerile of peaceful sci-fi pipedreams.
I think the comparison to “Desiderata” was appropriate. They both have all the intellectual and literary value of “William the Wombat Goes Potty.”
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Are you disputing that K’sDad? Apart from a typically Western (read:Judeo-Christian) philosophy surrounding our entire Constitution and basis of law, the Declaration of Independence is pretty specific about “a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence.”
Are you saying that the United States were not built on Judeo-Christian principles?
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Krispy said:
You seem to be reading the clause about a population of 500 million as if it had “by tomorrow” at the end. All it says is that the world population should be there and no higher. From the minute you brought up the tne points, we were discussing someone’s Utopia, so you should probably be reading “ideally” at the end of each line instead.
I can’t think of any practical peaceful or violent means to control and reduce the Earth’s population that are viable today or in the near future. Even armed squads of pregnancy police shooting expectant mothers in the alleys would probably fail. But it’s plausible that general measures such as free birth control and (voluntary) sterilization, plus tax incentives and such, could bring the overall birth rate down below the replacement rate world wide. Then you just wait until your target population is reached.
In North America, the birth rate is already below the replacement rate, and the population of this continent is growing only by immigration. Birth rate seems to be heavily dependent on standard of living: poor people breed more. It seems to be a normal human drive in the absence of general personal security. Where infant mortality is over 50%, women who have ten or more pregnancies are common.
In fact, the U.N. predicts that the world population will start declining by 2050. Don’t ask me how they figured that out, but their projections for population growth rates show a peak in the middle of the first half of the twentieth century, followed by a decline. That’s without any kind of purposeful violence directed at lowering the numbers.
I’m still unclear, Krispy, on how the NWO came into all this. It still looks to me like a recipe for Utopia, and not a plan of attack.
Never attribute to an -ism anything more easily explained by common, human stupidity.
Hmm, well, let’s see. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise of thereof” doesn’t really fit with “I am the LORD thy God. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thyself any graven images.”
" . . . or prohibiting freedom of speech, or of the press. . ." doesn’t quite work with “Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,” either.
And our philosophy of law and of civic duty and responsibility grew from the democratic principles of the Greeks, and not from the Jewish or European nations who were ruled by kings ordained by God.
“Come on, Phonics Monkey–drum!”
andros wrote:
Hmm. Am I prepared to assert that the United States of America was not founded on the basis of Judeo-Christian principles? Not at this time. However, I have a (knee-jerk, if you wish) tendency to challenge, or at least to question, the assertions of entities which I perceive to be espousing socio-political agendae that run counter to my own beliefs. Simply by couching its commentary on the Georgia Guidestones in terminology that suggests right-wing paranoia, the Liberty Radio site has identified itself to my satisfaction as such an entity. Add to this the fact that the site incorporates into its design symbols of jingoism and apocalyptic theistic partisanship, and I feel comfortable that my reaction is not directed at an innocent bystander.
I do believe that the assumption that the nation is generally accepted to have been founded on Judeo-Christian principles warrants debate. In fact, I think I’ll start another thread on just that topic. I note that the founding documents of the nation are careful to avoid mentioning a god by name. I don’t think Jefferson was afraid of offending the country’s huge population of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Taoists, and Zoroastrians, when he chose the term “divine providence,” instead of “Almighty God” (although it’s possible he was trying to avoid angering the Rosicrucians ;)). I had been under the impression that the founders were attempting to form a new political paradigm, divorced from such concepts as hereditary aristocracy, national religious identity, and the divine right of kings. I can’t support any contention that these concepts are peculiar to the Judeo-Christian tradition, but I also can’t say that the Judeo-Christian tradition has ever been distinguishable as a set of principles that was hostile to such concepts.
I suppose it comes down to how one defines the term “Judeo-Christian principles.” And that’s definitely another thread.
“Let all nations rule internally” how’s that in support of nwo? “Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity” …I guess they just don’t want us to end up like the humans in WALL-E not Nazi’s. At least yall weren’t discussing 2012 apocalypse back then.
Locking this zombie thread. I am not sure what you want to discuss, Hey, hi, how are you?, but if you are interested in NWO conspiracy theories or related topics, you should go ahead and open a new thread instead of reviving this 12-year-old one.