I wonder what the delays would be if everyone stopped to carefully sniff the bus driver before permitting the bus driver to drive.
It would be enough to drive some people to drink.
No, no it’s not.
I can’t tell if you’re serious or not.
Do you do a BAC on the pilots of the planes you fly in? OR even a sniff test?
Do you check your doctor before surgery?
Do you check the mental competence of people you vote for the presidency?
If not, you’re not one to talk about bus drivers and deathtrap nightclubs.
Since you are about a foot away from a bus driver…
You are asking the wrong questions. You are within smelling distance of your drunk bus driver, you can see if the club you are in looks like a real club. Or you can be A childish fool and blame someone else for your lack of common sense.
So, that would be a “no”, then?
Depends on the length of your bus, I suppose.
You have to pay, no?
When you guys are done arguing about booze breath of bus drivers, maybe someone could finally tell me WHAT THE HECK IS A QUARTER-PIPE.
QUARTER-PIPE - Google Search Skateboarding ramp in the shape of a quarter section of a pipe.
Compare to a full pipe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkeCZfG_KaI
Thanks. I guess that could serve as a a rave surface, for nimble-footed young Chicagoans circa 1987.
Arrest update:
“…Derick Ion Almena, 47, the concert promoter who converted the warehouse into an artists residence and underground concert venue, was arrested Monday morning, according to Alameda County Assistant Dist. Atty. Teresa Drenick. Charges have yet to be formally filed, she said.
The second person arrested was identified as Max Harris, Drenick said. He had been living at the warehouse since 2014 and was the location’s creative director…”
Two people have been arrested for the Ghost Ship fire. The first is Derick Almena, AKA Derick Ion, the master tenant of the facility. The second is Max Harris, AKA Max Ohr, the “creative director” of the Ghost Ship. They are being charged with 36 counts of involuntary manslaughter.
In addition, several families have filed lawsuits against Almena, Harris, Chor Ng (the building’s owner), and other people involved with the building and the event. They’ve also sued PG&E (the power company) for supplying power to the building with “blatant disregard” for the safety of the people there. They have also filed legal claims against the state of California, Alameda County, and the city of Oakland.
You can read about it here.
Personally, I understand all the lawsuits except the one against PG&E. The electric company is reponsible for delivering power to the building. I don’t see how they can be responsible for how the power is used once it gets past the meter. How was PG&E supposed to know what was going on inside the Ghost Ship?
BTW, according to attorneys for the victims’ famlies, all the electricity for the building came from a transformer box in a neighboring body shop. It seems likely that the occupants of the Ghost Ship were stealing power. Surprise, surprise!
PG&E could have been negligent in discovering the fraud. Utility companies normally investigate spikes in power usage beyond historical usage. If the warehouse all of the sudden started using more power than it historically had, once it became a dwelling place, there may have been some duty by PG&E to identify that. Same goes for the increase usage of power from the neighboring body shop.
I’m not saying the victims will prevail against PG&E, but that may be their case.
No. Probably a direct connection to the Ghost Ship would be subject to electrical inspection by the city. The body shop had already been inspected so they just used electricity from there and split the bill.
I’d expect the warehouse that was home to the Ghost Ship already had electrical hookups when they moved in. It’s an old building, so why wouldn’t it? Getting power from those hookups would require opening an account with PG&E and paying a monthly bill.
If I were running a business, and an art collective next door asked to hook into my power with an offer to split the bill, I would say, “No.” First, without them being on a separate meter, how would you know who owes what? Second, how would you ensure the total power wouldn’t exceed the capacity of the connection? Third, how would you know they’d be doing things safely? Fourth, how would you know you could trust them to pay when the time came? This scenario doesn’t sound likely to me.
POW-whuh to da pee-pul! They sure showed The Man, din’t they?
Forget it Jeff, its Chinat…Oakland.
Actually, this has been the scariest part of the story for me. If I were a twentyish punkass skater dude clubbin’ in SF (which happens to be exactly what my kid’s up to), I’d think “Whoa, this is soooo cool! Artsy types living all over, homemade lighting, black market 110volt, awesome raves --or fights, depending on the night-- and sometimes somebody puts their foot through a stair tread, cuz get this, they’re just old industrial pallets! This is like the summer of love, but even sketchier, man!”
It’s Fruitvale. Chinatown is about two and a half miles northwest of there.
“Forget it, Jake, it’s Fruitvale” just doesn’t sound as good, does it?