"The God Delusion" discussion thread

What evidence exists for God which does not exist for the FSM? Be specific. Are you quite sure you understand what the word “evidence” means in science. Please be advised that “I really, really believe it” is not evidence.

There’s a huge, gaping flaw in this analogy. No evidence whatsoever exists for God. The “prosecution” has yet to offer Exhibit A.

I think we’ve at least discovered the reason for your inability to understand the FSM analogy. You are under the mistaken impression that the evidence for those things is different. It is not. It’s not a question of atheists “not accepting” evidence for God. That just sounds like whining. The truth is theists have never offered any evidence. It doesn’t exist.

there is no way that god can be proved or disproved,so the way i see it it nothing can be proved until you prove it.

Forget incontrovertible proof, how about just a scrap of evidence that points to god being more likely than FSM.

But the default presumption is that X does not exist until it is proven to exist. Saying “You can’t prove there ISN’T a God” is as lame as saying you can’t prove smurfs don’t exist (which is equally true and equally specious).

With due respect, and my repeated assurance that I am very happy that you are explaining your stance so all alone against a group obviously not aligned with them, I’m afraid that what makes it a silly argument is your failure to understand it, as evident from your analogy. You have simply not yet grasped what the argument is about; it’s not about the Flying Spaghetti Monster, it’s actually about Zeus, or Brahma, or sprites, or crystal rays. Forget the FSM, if you want, and take the analogy to them.
Suppose, instead of your example, this: that a prosecutor has spent six months arguing the defendant’s guilt, and the lawyer for the defense stands up and says: “The Prosecution has offered no reason to believe my client is guilty that would not likewise, with exactly the same factual justification, also prove the guilt of my mother, my father, that guy over there, or the judge – it can prove everybody’s guilt. The defense rests.” This, if true, is an unanswerable defense. Your task, now, is to tell the defense why your evidence is so special that it points to precisely that supernatural being that you believe in, and no others, even made up ones (as if they weren’t all made up).

While I did promise to responded to everything, I find that the thread has branched in too many directions for me to follow them all. What I would propose is that we move on to the next book, or rather the next pair of books. In the thread where the book discussions originated there was some interest in repeating the process with new pairs of books. I have one in mind that would address a lot of the issues that have been brought up here. Would anyone else be interested in Round 2?

I would be interested in Round 2.

I’ll read your book.