But teach 300 million men to fish, and there really aren’t going to be enough spots on the riverbank.
Any proof that it’s FUD? It’s reasonable assertions based on the ACA law that’s come out thus far and some smidge of past governmental actions.
You linked to an opinion piece based on a survey without any link to the survey itself. I can’t run down the list of poll reliability indicators without the actual survey in hand to make sure it was done correctly. So, how about you do so, since it was your evidence?
…What?
This, I think, is going to come down to opinion. I honestly believe that they could have swung enough support for either version of healthcare, especially considering how much blood the public wanted after they passed ACA.
The average Democrat (which translates to state politics quite well) is actually fairly centrist when taken in general as a whole. But the Democratic National Party long-timers are so far left they are almost a satire of themselves. Sadly, the Republicans at both the national and state levels tend to be so far right that they are the satire of themselves. It would make life a lot easier if the extremes of both parties would come towards the center to actually, like, pass sane laws.
So? Just go to war with Mexico and Canada for more coast line. DUH. 
Sorry, but I participated on many previous treads to know that it is just FUD.
Point of order, you denied the poll right away with no evidence to support what you claimed regarding the poll.
The way things work here is that the ones making such a claim need to bring the evidence.
That was for you global warming dig, suffice to say is that you miss that what I see on the Global Warming debates is very similar to what I see on the Health Care Debate, piles and piles of FUD from the opponents.
This seems like a comically inaccurate statement. The far-left Democrats, like Kucinich (or perhaps Bernie Sanders, who’s not even a Democrat) are pretty marginalized. Most of the big name Democrats (Obama, the Clintons, even Pelosi and Howard Dean) are, at most, center-left.
Looks like Cheesesteak ninja’d me in post #52.
What I see is that the ACA is missing a lot in the containment of costs, but this is once again a feature, not a bug of the old Republican plan; still as many European countries show, it is a good framework to eventually start looking at the areas were the expense was reaching insane levels,
As Hans Rosling would tell you, It seems that Americans do not want to compete in matters of health care.
I agree on other of the points Rosling made regarding the relationship between a populace’s health and wealth. Health drives wealth more effectively than the opposite arrangement. That is: a healthy population can prosper economically. Sure, on the wealthy side I can see more costs are likely, but the current class discrimination (with a side order of racism on some elements opposed to the ACA) is a factor on why this is fought tooth and nail.
There are powerful interests that do not want to see things like Job Lock to end, to see small business starting with less of the ball and chain of very expensive health premiums, to see local and foreign business set shop in the USA as the cost of doing business is less.
It was for that and other reasons that IMHO the opposition to health care reform only wants less freedom for Americans, and to protect the Feudal lords from competition to many of their corporations, and not only for the ones from the heath care industry.
POPE FRANCIS
“The human person and human dignity risk being turned into vague abstractions in the face of issues like the use of force, war, malnutrition, marginalization, the violation of basic liberties, and financial speculation. All these presently affect the price of food, treating it like just another merchandise, overlooking its primary function. Our duty is to continue to insist, in the present international context, that the human person and human dignity are not simply catchwords, but pillars for creating common rules and structures that can go beyond purely pragmatic or technical approaches. In doing so,we can eliminate divisions and bridge differences.”
George Wallace used to say there wasn’t a dime’s worth of difference between Republicans and Democrats - and this was Humphrey and Nixon. Extremists seem to be unable to see any spread in parties far away from their position.
BTW, sampling theory says that 1,000 samples is just about enough to get good results for any population size. My Sampling Theory book is at home, but the number of samples is probably pretty reasonable, and I’m sure the uncertainty would be published. Someone saying that the poll is done wrong is like a creationist saying that a geologist can’t tell quartz from sandstone.
I see. There is no room for opinion on political topics in your FUD assessment, hm?
As I stated, you linked an opinion piece without a link to the underlying survey, so I couldn’t begin to review it for accuracy. So you don’t have evidence to begin with.
That still doesn’t explain the actual text you put down. :dubious:
As many times mentioned in the other debates, that by “coincidence” also include many people from the right, you are entitled to your opinions but not the facts.
Like if that does not tell others that you only admit an inability to Google.
Because it was a Gish gallop with no supporting evidence or cites from your part. Just like many contrarians in the climate change debates do.
Yes, the “big names” are in the middle ground of the Democratic party…but you don’t put your crazies in front of the camera, if you can help it.
However, you have far lefts like Blumenthal and Udall who hold the party line like it was saving them from the abyss.
People like Joe Manchin and Brian Nelson are actual centrists, where as people like Max Baucus and Michael Bennet are Democratic party middle-ground holders.
If you go and look at Blumenthal and Udall’s platforms, they are close (relative to their other Democrats, at least) to the demonizing caricatures that the Republicans draw. If you look at people like Obama and Howard Dean, no, that’s not true.
So, when the Republicans go from moderately conservative to batshit reactionary, the center stays the same?
MARILYN MONROE:
"I believe that everything happens for a reason. People change so that you can learn to let go, things go wrong so that you appreciate them when they’re right, you believe lies so you eventually learn to trust no one but yourself, and sometimes good things fall apart so better things can fall together.”
Oh, wait - is this the thread for posting random quotations from people or not?
Of course, we do run into issues when a Masters in Marine Biology is required to teach fishing.
Fortunately, in the realm of job skills and creation, the “riverbank” is so wide that there is no danger of overcrowding.
Indeed. And to the extent that this is happening, it’s absolutely appropriate to correct it.
All you stated was your opinion that it was FUD, then. I gotcha.
So, you linked the news release of the study. With, funnily enough, LESS of the information I’m looking for. I’m smitten with regret at my own googling skills.
Perhaps you should refine your own skills and find the result one link down on Google? Sort of like I did when you first linked it where I went and read the actual study.
And it’s still an incredibly small sample size and their methodology gave “every household in the state an equal chance of receiving a call.” Good. That doesn’t explain what they consider a “household” as. Each phone number? Is it the method that doesn’t call cell phones? The method that does? Not calling cell phones cuts out an inordinate number of poor and young from the demographic.
But you know what? You’re right. We should accept this survey despite it’s flaws. Now, let’s look at all of the good news it shows!
Hm. Making things more expensive.
A 5% drop in the accessibility of health care.
So 56% of people are very satisfied, 28% are neutral and 16% are below neutral satisfaction.
So, residents waiting more than two weeks to see their Primary Care Physician jumped 10%.
People don’t want to see a nurse practitioner or a PA unless it’ll reduce their wait time.
So it’s not reducing the use of an ER, which is one of the things the health plans were supposed to help with. You get preventative care to reduce the need for waiting to the last minute to get urgent care (ostensibly saving lives and reducing costs, which is a good goal.)
I’m glad I accept that survey, now. Thank you, GIGObuster. It tells me that I am not distributing FUD and that I have legitimate concerns about what the ACA will do over the long term.
Wrong point. I was addressing this:
What does that text mean? You said it was for the dig about climate change, but the sentence still doesn’t make sense. I haven’t shown any grandfathers to be sucking on eggs.
One more fish aphorism and I’m going to rupture my swim bladder.
Anyone see Chris Hayes interview some crazy Republican representative from North Carolina last night?