The bare minimum – any kind of organized subreligion. To the best of my knowledge, there are no Kabalist synagogues, Kabalists in general do not regard other Orthodox Jews as heretics, and Orthodox Jews in general do not regard Kabalists as heretics.
No they don’t.
Well, for starters there is this organization in the Bay area:
http://www.aynsof.org/index.html
And then there is this article that talks about Kabbalists:
http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/8156/edition_id/155/format/html/displaystory.html
A quote I found quite relevant is:
This seems to be talking about building a vessel, but goes on to explain that is spiritual in nature, it mentions nothing anatomical anywhere in this article nor anywhere else in any other article I have found.
Now from the OP:
Bolding and underlining mine.
The OP is suggesting that a connection to an anatomical myth is readily available and fairly common knowledge. I’m not finding it. Either it is readily available only where the OP is or the OP came up with it on his own.
Even if this myth exists, as the OP claims (usually only claiming it’s existance and neither support or denial of it) I’m not seeing it in the Grail legend, in the practice of Hermits, in either the classical or the new Hollywood Kabbalists, in the whole Egyptian thing or anywhere else.
And as for Hermeticism, I was at first confused with Christian Eremitics and the hermits who spent their lives in meditation.
Link:
Now that I have read a little more on Hermeticism as an early system that developed around the time of the Gnostics, the Christians and the Rosicrucians I can see how it is not a sect, but it is still unclear what the relationship to some anatomical secret is.
Link to Hermeticism:
So we have been explained the myth (and it’s existance at length) and been explained the sacred marriage and how it all relates to occult anatomy. My question to the OP is, where to seek this commonly available information of which you speak to read it for myself?
Cite?
Link?
Something?
You have misread me.
How so?
What, then, do they mean?
When you said: “Is it because, as I suspect, you believe that we must discover the truth for ourselves by cobbling together your obscure and terse hints rather than having it spoon fed to us by you?”, I appear to have erroneously read your question as indicating you had recognised and accepted a rule of the myth that it is never forced on to anyone but is voluntarily sought after as in undertaking the QUEST for the Grail, which in the myth entails undertaking what is called A Great Effort.
Man, just lurking in this thread has been a great effort
Great Work!
maatorc, do you believe that this “myth”, as you’ve described it, is true?
I didn’t make the claim, you did. You haven’t made your case so I disagreed with your interpretation. Would you care to back up your claims?
I do understand the rule, and I think it’s bullshit when you use it to turn a conversation into some kind of game. ALL knowledge-seeking can be compared to a quest because understanding the complexities of reality is difficult and challenging and sometimes requires giving up cherished beliefs and preconceived notions. Nearly everyone on this board would agree with that,and most of us are already committed to taking regular, hard looks at what we believe and testing those beliefs to see if they hold up - it’s more or less the mission of the board. (Of course, if you want to participate, you have to be willing also to question your beliefs and test them against the harsh light of evidence.)
What your “rule” doesn’t mean (or shouldn’t at any rate) is that you put stumbling blocks and obstacles before those trying to learn and discuss new ideas. That is what trivializes your myth - you come across as a bad stage magician using elaborate props to distract the audience from his lousy sleight-of-hand. If what you have to say is worthy of any great effort, it doesn’t need your artificail attempts to make the effort greater.
In other words, just say what you gotta say, man! You might not convince anyone, and you might open yourself up to ridicule, but those are the risks you take when you try to share ideas.
I’m not speaking for Telemark, but I’m pretty sure catapaulting the cow represented letting go of inner turmoil and the scent of elderberries represented the desire to reunite with the Sacred Hamster.
It goes without saying that there are only three ways of overcoming the monster of Caerbannog, not five.
And definately not two.
Excepting that thou then proceed to three.
Alan Smithee said:
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But (most) people don’t act on the beliefs of this supposed myth.
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I never claimed they did. Perhaps I was misreading you, but I was responding to the idea that if the myth were false then it was meaningless. If people started a war over the nature of “The Force”, then it wouldn’t matter that “the Force” is a construct from a movie. The reality of the war would trump the fictional nature of the source of the idea.
maatorc said:
YOu are separating the concept that there are people who hold this belief from the concept that the belief is true. But you have yet to demonstrate that any appreciable number of people hold this belief as true. You have not even demonstrated that Dan Brown was aware of this belief for him to write The Da Vinci Code.
That’s not a cite, that’s just a restatement of your premise. Telemark requested a citation that shows legitimacy to your premise.
Alan Smithee said:
What he said.
maatorc, you don’t come across as having any wisdom worth learning, just a bunch of jumbled fortune cookie sayings regurgitated at will.
I want to see if he can post 100 times in this thread, with each post being utter nonsense, and wihtout positing to any other thread in the interim. I think he is up to the challenge.
No one has demonstrated that Dan Brown was aware of anything when he wrote The Da Vinci Code.
Do you then mean, as is claimed by some to be true of the New Testament, that the Grail Legend is an historical record of actual events and personalities?
No, the Grail Legend, as must be distinguished from the Legend of the Grail for is it not true that that which precedes entering the body is not the same as that which follows exiting the body, may perhaps be entered in the books of history, but the story which forms the Grail Legend was written in many other pages, as we have learned, such as in Egypt and Brazil, in anatomical form, where the head sees but cannot touch the hands, while the hands can touch but not see the head. This is the corpus of truth, from which all like legends spring.