The Great Flag Debate of Utah (now moved on to additional states, currently IL)

Bumping this to announce that my new Utah flag has just arrived and I will be flying it outside my home soon.

I’d say keep the beehive and get rid of the hexagon and star. That also makes the red stripe complete at the bottom.

at least they put the blue on top and red on bottom, as it should be

Yeah. But the made up "rules’ for flags are just that - made up.

Maryland - a flag that Marylanders are obsessed with making into a crab

But they’re not arbitrary. They’re designed to make flags easily identifiable from a distance. This is especially important in marine environments, where visibility is often poor.

In national flags, that could be important. But hardly in state or city flags.

A better use for it than many.

I guess because the MD flag’s color pattern is so distinctive, you can make something almost any shape and have it be recognized as being Marylandish.

Which shows how good the MD flag is at achieving its purpose.

Indeed

Although a couple of those mankinis interact with the flag design rather … awkwardly:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B38MSHTW?th=1

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B38MX2TJ?th=1

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B38MZPCW?th=1

I think that’s a feature, not a bug, in the eyes of those young gentlemen.

As tight as those are, you use the term “gentlemen” loosely, I presume.

The flag of Oregon would be challenging. The wearer would have a big beaver on his ass.

That they are men is, however, not in doubt.

Color me (or is that flag me? :wink: ) as confused by any proposed connection between swimwear choices and gentlemanliness.

Yeah, have you seen what European guys typically use for swimwear? I have been to beaches and pools with very proper middle-aged male European colleagues wearing less fabric below the waist than I was.

The idea that male swimwear decorum requires full-coverage trunk or brief styles is AFAICT pretty much a North American sartorial prejudice (and I’m not even sure about the Canadians).

I live at a tourist beach. I see fat Euros and expat Russians or similar in mankinis / swim briefs every day. And some buff US dudes too. Totally ordinary / unremarkable. Not at all mainstream, but definitely common enough nobody is laughing and pointing or whispering to each other.

The standard US male swimwear here is board shorts, although the trend is moving shorter every year. Hotpants here we come! Woot!

The stakes are of course lower, but the principles are the same. Having a flag, state, city or otherwise, which cannot be identified from a distance undermines the entire idea of a flag. At that point it’s more of a sign. Flags were invented to provide a glanceable shorthand, a replacement for things like overly detailed coat of arms. If it can’t do that, you might as well not have one.