The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other)

the commercial pilots can chime in but I don’t think engine torque from a turbine is the same as a recip. It looks like a classic stall/spin the way the wing drops so quickly. It’s virtually fatal at that altitude.

Basically a wing that is stalling has to be corrected with the rudder. If you try to lift a stalling wing using normal wing controls (ailerons) you accelerate the stall. It will snap right over.

It could also be a case where the plane hit a vortex from a larger plane that just took off. Here’s an example of a this. Warning it’s a real crash.

Watching Point Break (1967). There’s a plane in it that looked like a tricycle Twin Beech, only it had a straight tail instead of the H-tail. I had to look it up. It was a Twin Beech; specifically a C-45H.

Turns out N9943Z crashed in 1968 and was destroyed in the post-crash fire. Non-fatal, 1 person aboard, minor or no injuries. The NTSB report says ‘PLT DID NOT ALLOW ADEQUATE SEPARATION BEHIND LNDG JET ACFT.’ Sounds like he got caught in the vortex/vortices behind a jet landing at O’Hare.

My uncle sent me a link to the F-35 crash.

Unk is retired Navy, and he called it a PLAT video. I’m guessing that stands for P[something] Landing And Takeoff. Can someone enlighten me?

Possibly “Pilot Landing Aid Television”

Installation of the Pilot Landing Aid Television (PLAT) system was completed on Coral Sea on 14 December 1961. She was the first carrier to have this system installed for operations use. Designed to provide a videotape of every landing, the system proved useful for instructional purposes and in the analysis of landing accidents, thereby making it an invaluable tool in the promotion of safety. By 1963, all attack carriers had been equipped with PLAT and plans were underway for installation in the CVSs and at shore stations.

Seems more like a SPLAT video to me…

I’d rather miss the 3rd arrestor cable and do a go-around than hit the back of the ship.

Carrier landings are the least forgiving of any landing.

Thank you, cytop. I knew all landings were recorded, of course; but I don’t think I thought of it as having a name until my uncle used it. I knew what he was asking about (before he found the video I linked above), but I couldn’t think what the acronym stood for.

looking at the video of the crash it looked like the nose was way too high. Pilot must have gotten behind the power curve and couldn’t spin the engine up fast enough. I’m kinda surprised they haven’t engineered a “catcher’s mitt” on the end of the carrier to absorb the shock of just such an impact. They could simply tilt the end of the carrier down at say 25 degrees and encase it with a calculated amount of energy absorbing material like they do for car barriers.

In my city we use to have a high-tech water baffle system on the end of a guard rail that split the roads off. It would stop a car at highway speeds. It’s on it’s 3rd design change

Some airports have arrestor beds installed past the end of the runway that will slow planes by letting them sink down and plow to a stop.

It may sound radical but the modern fighter jet is expensive as are accidents on a carrier.

And since we’re talking about carrier landings at the moment I thought I’d post a project they did back in the 60s that involved a KC-130 landing without a hook system.

I’m sure I’ve seen the airplane in this commercial, or at least one with the same distinctive swooping rear fuselage. Can anyone identify the plane?

Are you sure it’s real?

  • In the closeup when she’s flying, it looks like bare aluminum. A modern aircraft like that would be made of composite.
  • The cockpit is set way too far back to be practical. Poor forward visibility.
  • It doesn’t have a canopy.

Could be a one-off racer, but it could also be a digital composite.

I think it’s a digital image of an imagined plane. It goes with the theme of the commercial about fulfilling dreams. It’s part of their “ambitions made real” campaign.

If it’s a one-off racer I don’t think the giant nose scoop would be consistent with a modern aerodynamic design.

It’s such a beautiful plane that it wouldn’t surprise me if someone didn’t just build one.

the ailerons are tapered, the main gears are ass backwards, there’s no tail wheel and it doesn’t appear to have rudders.

I agree it’s very likely a digital composite, but that rear end swoop - I’m sure I’ve seen that on a real plane, probably a single-seat high performance one. I’m trying to find the real life inspiration(s), if there are any.

Cirrus are a bit swoopy.

So are Lancairs.

Diamond aircraft have that very narrow rear fuselage.

Do an image search on Diamond aircraft to see other examples.

I knew I forgot one. (And it was actually the first thing that came to my imagination, though the name didn’t.)

took me awhile but the nose reminded me of an old race plane.

Brown B-2 Racer

I remembered that from the movie The Aviator. It was also open cockpit. Possibly a tribute to that plane.

It reminded me of my favourite Guillow’s kit.

The far aft cockpit also reminds me of the Caudron C.460, an air racer from the '30s.