The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other)

Medical helo makes emergency landing in SE PA. I heard it lost it’s tail rotor & I don’ see one in the Fox flyover..

The ABC coverage has a bystander capturing the landing. It doesn’t look like the blades are moving at all. Don’t they still spin if you’re in autorotation, or is this an artifact of frame rate on their phone syncing with the rotor turn rate?
Paging @Johnny_L.A

It was a recommendation after the Germanwings murder/suicide. My employer at the time had always had a two-in-the-flightdeck policy so I didn’t pay a lot of attention to it. It has since been relaxed by the authorities and some airlines. (Mine still requires two in the cockpit at all times).

It’s just an artefact of the video. The rotor RPM happens to synch with the video frame rate. The blades are still turning.

A DoorDash delivery driver got lost and somehow made it onto the airside portion of O’Hare Airport.

Or maybe some passenger decided they didn’t like any of the meal options on their flight and ordered DoorDash.

You and I both posted vids highlighting that artifact upthread starting here:

My cited vid upthread has since been pulled down, but this current one shows a similar effect:

As I noted upthread, for most of this vid the Hind’s rotors appear to be rotating backwards.

Hinds’ rotors do rotate backwards! :clown_face:

Explanation: In most Western helicopters, the rotors rotate counterclockwise when viewed from above. The rotors on Russian and French helicopters rotate clockwise when viewed from above. If you look at the rotor blades in the video, you can see the leading and trailing edges that show they spin ‘backwards’. :wink:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cj42ew5zy7et

Cessna 550 crashed into houses in San Diego.

‘Small plane’ is correct, for a given definition of ‘small’. :wink:

When I hear ‘small plane’, I automatically do not think of anything with a turbine.

The fire chief quoted as worrying about jet fuel made me look up the plane type. I’m used to thinking of Cessnas as small prop planes used by flying schools.

My mom worked at Gibbs Flying Service. My dad bought his first plane (N84573) from Gibbs.

Maybe they’re referring to the size of the pieces of the plane post-crash. :woozy_face:

At first I was thinking 15 is a lot of houses to take out but then I was thinking back to the one in NE Philly a couple of months back; where there’s video of a medical Learjet 55 coming in nose-first, where it left a 10’ deep crater & how many houses that one took out.

But for most people, when they hear the name “Cessna” they think “small plane”, without knowing what type of plane it actually was.

Fair point, heck, around where I live there is a tendency to genericize “un cesna” to mean any GA prop single regardless of make or model.

Pilot humour!

All small airplanes used to be Pipercubs (one word).

Well, according to the Journalist’s Guides…


The last one is a Flintglock.

And it may have fallen out of use, but it seems like at one time small private jets (like the Cessna 550) were all Learjets.

That’s a great article with lots of updates. Sure be nice of the authorities had given an address, even if it was just the rough centroid of the debris field. “Murphy Canyon” isn’t much to go on.

Here’s Murphy Canyon Rd. MYF is to the left.

Google Maps

I’ve been working, so I haven’t studied any footage. But just eyeballing the map, it looks like the crash could have happened anywhere between the neighbourhood just east of the 15, to Aero Drive south of the runway.

Thanks.

The BBC article eventually includes a Google aerial photo. My complaint is with the spokepeople. Murphy Canyon is apparently an area. Murphy Canyon Road might or might not be in Murphy Canyon. Or might be many miles longer than any area that’s relevant to the mishap.

I know that you personally know their relationship because you lived and drove around there. My point is spokespeople giving out unactionably vague information.


Switching to the mishap, not the yak-yak …
Given the time of day (0400), the dense fog / cloud, the impact position along the extended centerline, this sure smells like a tired crew botching an approach and falling out the bottom. There’s an ILS and an RNAV to runway 28R