The Great Ongoing Firearms Thread

Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
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They are both more than adequate for personal defense and allow for superior concealed carry. I carry a Beretta Tomcat myself feel it will definitely take down an attacker in an up close and personal defense scenario. My .380 S&W Bodyguard is kept near my bed for home defense.

I don’t really see the need for ,45 or 9mm for defense, although they are very cool and serve a military grade purpose. I am not intending to shoot someone from across my yard, most attacks are up close and personal. In most cases just showing a pistol will make an attacker stop to turn and run.

If I want to go to war I’ll take the M1 off the wall.

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Yeah, in many cases the question of “stopping power” comes out of the operator not being sure to hit with more than one out of every 6 shots and an expectation that the other dude should just drop on the spot.

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Is this gun a real thing (need to click on the link just below and watch the very short video)?

Three more questions:

  • I get it is a .22 but I’ve been told here that suppressed weapons are still loud. This is damn near silent. Even as a .22…silent.
  • Did he hit anything?
  • If you did hit something how dangerous is it? I mean…one .22 could be lethal but I’ve been told it has no stopping power. Is this more like a weird shotgun (in effect)? Seems more like a machine gun albeit with very small rounds and a very small magazine.
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44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you’ve got to ask yourself one question: ‘Do I feel lucky?’ Well, do you, punk? ~ Dirty Harry

I think Harry was using a revolver. My understanding is, when you pull the trigger on a revolver the cylinder rotates before the hammer comes down. My question is, can’t the punk clearly see if there is a bullet in the next chamber and thus not have to feel “lucky” but know if there is still one bullet left to be fired?

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The cylinder rotates when the hammer is pulled back. By the time Harry reached the two punks, his hammer was already cocked, so there was no way for them to know what had been in the cylinder before it rotated.

Also, you can’t really see inside - the bullet doesn’t reach the end of the cylinder. Unless you’re standing 3 feet away and shining a flashlight into the gun, there’s no way of knowing if it’s loaded.

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Are you sure?

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The last round that Harry may or may not have in this scenario would be on the top of the cylinder, and thus hidden by the barrel. The “punk” would clearly see that the other cylinders have no bullet remaining with the case, but that’s not part of the mystery.

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A lot of the caliber self-defense debates relies on too many anecdotes and actual realistic data isn’t really easy to ethically generate, so you have either ballistic gel scenarios or case studies. So many internet debates are just arguing over opinion. 9mm vs .45 was hot a decade or so ago, but I think the general consensus is that 9mm technology has advanced enough that it has more advantages and no relative disadvantages. People still enjoy .45 if they think it’s cool, but it’s fallen far out of favor as a default choice. And .40 which was supposed to be the happy medium has pretty much died.

Pocket/mouse pistols are currently having a renaissance 100 years after they were popular. I think it was at least partially generated by the meme potential like reddit community for .32 ACP r/TheOneTrueCaliber, but then (some) people started taking it seriously and now at least Beretta seems committed to supporting .32 while there are several smaller accessories companies doing stuff for the very small pool of production .32 pistols. It seems like a less contentious debate because the argument is basically “we’re not saying it’s better than 9mm, it’s probably not as good but it’s easier to remember to carry instead of just foregoing.”

The consensus on pocket calibers is pretty clear that hollow points are a disadvantage for .32 and possibly .380 contrary to the advice for larger calibers. FMJ is probably better for self defense (but then note the reliability of data) in these smaller ones because it aids penetration. The debate between .380 and .32 seems to be that the former is definitely better, but as the actual pistols are often the same size, shooting .380 in that size is more unpleasant and .32 is effortless even in a 190 gram gun. But it’s a little more problematic to design for because of the semi-rimmed nature.

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Well, I’m giving two shotguns, two rifles and a pistol away. Giving to a trusted neighbor.

See, I’m moving. Suburbia (I’m gonna love it there). The big thing is that I don’t want to sell them to some random asshole. I have a friend and neighbor in the mountains that I trust and is a good man. I’m giving the guns to him.

I’m keeping three.

I would like to get my wife familiar with firearms, and she says that she will learn how to operate, but will not practice.

That’s not how it works.

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So, I’m posting this here, because I need to talk about it, and this seems to be the best place. I’m not even sure if I want to be talked into or out of this purchase, so feel free to go both places.

I’m a big fan of PCC (pistol caliber carbines), and think they’re a great compromise in terms of fun to shoot and cheap to feed, especially in 9mm. I have one, a lever action Rossi in .38spl/.357mag, but a 9mm would be half the price to shoot. I’ve historically talked myself out of it, because, well, I have plenty of guns, it’s an unneeded expense, and heck, I haven’t had a chance to go shooting in almost 2 years now.

But…

I do have a birthday this month, and some additional cash from it.

And Trump 2.0 has been making me worried.

And now LA.

And lastly, one of the models I was looking at, the Kel-Tec Sub2000 GEN3 is on sale for Fathers day, running under $500 even with shipping/FFL transfer fees or in person.

Yeah, it’s a high-polymer gun, but it’s compliant with CO’s 15 round limit (and buying it now avoids the potential new semi-auto legislation due to go into effect next year), and it’s a take-town weapon that if (FSM forbid) the worst happens you’ll have a more concealable weapon with more punch and range than you’d normally get from 9mm.

I mean… I do want a 9mm PCC, but I’m not sure I’m not talking myself into buying it now due to current events and paranoia, as well as the changing legislation concerns.

Thoughts?

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I have a Beretta CX4 in 9mm, and also its pistol companion the PX4; they can share magazines.

It’s fun to shoot, and there are accessories available.

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My friend has one, it’s a little weird and uncomfortable to shoot but it’s very popular. The general consensus is that it’s by mo means a top of the line PCC, but pretty good if you want a “backpack” type model and gets cheap on sale.

It can be much improved afterwards by picking up parts at mcarbo.com, I’d start with the springs but look at other forums for which parts provide the most improvement.

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I’ve got three PCCs.
A Kel-Tec Sub2K several years old. I’ve added a tube red dot with a tilt mount required because of the way the Sub2K folds. I believe the latest models fold differently and eliminate this issue.
Ruger PCC in 9mm fitted with many after market Tandomkross and others. Great shooting that I use in competition.
JustRite carbine. Bought in 45ACP and converted to 9mm. Don’t shoot it much. Big and heavy.

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Yes, the Gen 3 folds and twists so you can leave your top rail optics mounted while folded.

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Well, I went ahead and ordered it. Lots of Ifs and Buts, but I did want it, it’s a good price, and while not nearly as polished as a lot of other 9mm options, the price-point of a better option would almost certainly lead to no.

As to the paranoia pros and cons, I had a thought, and I while I don’t want to remember/believe it from time to time… we’re only MONTHS into this administration and it’s this bad. It’s not paranoia if they’ve proven they’re out to get you.

Once it arrives, it’s time to schedule some range time, with how bad it’s been, the wife might want to get some practice in with her pistol as well.

ETA - In many ways, I’d have preferred the S&W M&P FPC, but it’s noticeably pricier, and I can’t have the default model in Colorado due to magazine size, and don’t really want to buy the 10rnd CA compliant option. It would otherwise be perfect, since my primary pistols are M&Ps anyway.

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When I read too much (any) political news I get the desire to be even more armed. For no good reason, since if it comes to that I’m dead or incarcerated. But been looking at a Ruger AR10, 20" barrel in .308/7.67 NATO. Expensive gun, expensive ammo. I held it the other day and it’s insanely light for the caliber. I would sure hope the semi-auto dampens recoil a LOT.

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Yeah… this afternoon’s news took any possible chance of buyer’s remorse out behind the chemical shed and shot it to pieces. Now I’m fighting the kneejerk reaction of buying more ammo. Again.

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Hopefully they’ve gotten better. When the second generation (semi-automatic only) AR-10s were introduced in the 1990s, they were finely-tuned/delicate machines that suffered from reliability problems.

Upthread I mentioned my love for the FAL. Like the AR-10, it’s also chambered in 7.62X51. It may not be the most accurate thing ever made, but it’s a true battle rifle.

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Is it wrong of me, that outside of any practicality, and setting aside budget, that I’ve always wanted a Springfield M1A semi-auto in wood?

It’s always been one of my “win the lottery” bookmarked purchases. I know a FAL, or quite a few other options are certainly more practical shooters, but dammit, I love the looks.

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Yea, have always wanted one, too. A “rifleman’s rifle.” Am drooling over that 50th Anniversary Edition.