The Hobbit (Part 1) Extended Edition

[simster]

@Grey

Definitely improved it for me - though I have one question for others with better memories.

In the EE Thranduil goes to see Thror and is…denied?..a necklace of diamonds. In the DoS Thranduil states the dwarf hoard contains white gems that are his. So was the original necklace scene in the theatrical release?

The narration of the necklace scene seems to imply that it’s the Nauglamír, but that was taken into the West by Elwing. Which is a neat piece of lore to drop into the movie except that it’s wrong.

In the EE - its a big box of white diamonds - the second movie explains the importance, its never really said why they are denied (or I need to watch it again)

@Miss_Mapp

I haven’t seen the EE yet, but I’m wondering–do they ever establish that Kili and Fili are Thorin’s nephews? It was never alluded to at all in the theatrical version. I was thinking about this again while watching the second movie last week; they did finally establish the relationship about half-way through that movie when the young dwarves stayed behind at Lake Town.

No -

@teela_brown

My question on the EE:

I read long ago about how the main guy at Ain’t It Cool was given a part as a hobbit in Hobbiton. He had to sign a non-disclosure agreement in exchange for such part, thereby insuring he wouldn’t spread spy pics or spoilers. He wrote that his scene was part of a “farmer’s market” scene in Hobbiton, and he got to play a fishmonger selling a fish to Bilbo. However, I saw no such scene in the theatrical edition.

Was there any farmer’s market scene in the EE?

yes - its a funny little scene -

[teela_brown]

@Maserschmidt

. . . the nude dwarf fountain-bathing . . .

Erg.

[C_K_Dexter_Haven]

@simster

In the EE - its a big box of white diamonds - the second movie explains the importance, its never really said why they are denied (or I need to watch it again)

It’s a big box of white diamonds WITH a necklace on the top.

The food fight and dwarf nude bathing, like the Goblin King’s song-and-dance, add comedy, and (I think) much needed. The book is full of humor, which the released version was (to my mind) missing. Yes, the dwarves come across as crude and earthy, they guzzle beer and it dribbles all over their beards (as did Gimli at Edoras), they’re seen as comic. I think that helps, it makes them complicated characters and different from standard “heroes.” In the EE, one of them even [spoiler]steals stuff from Riverdell.
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I like it, but YMMV. There’s also a cute little scene with Fili admiring the female elves in Rivendell, setting up his flirting with the elf-maid in Mirkwood.

[Malacandra]

@Grey

Definitely improved it for me - though I have one question for others with better memories.

In the EE Thranduil goes to see Thror and is…denied?..a necklace of diamonds. In the DoS Thranduil states the dwarf hoard contains white gems that are his. So was the original necklace scene in the theatrical release?

The narration of the necklace scene seems to imply that it’s the Nauglamír, but that was taken into the West by Elwing. Which is a neat piece of lore to drop into the movie except that it’s wrong.

In fact, there is some back story about the dwarves and the Elf-king, and an ancient war over treasure which the Elves said the Dwarves stole, and the Dwarves said was theirs because they were promised payment for goldsmithing and did not receive their due; and also that the Elf-king likes silver and white gems. The rest is Jackson making stuff up (specifically, Thorin’s family had nothing to do with that quarrel) and of course it would not be the Nauglamir in any case.

[Grey]

Right, but the argument was over the Nauglamir/Silmaril necklace. The dwarves kill the king (Thingol), sack the palace but are wiped out by Thingol’s son-in-law and an army of elves while heading home with their plunder. The necklace gets recovered by the elves until Elwing throws herself into the sea while wearing it.

It’s just a weird linkage shoehorned in to explain elven/dwarven dislike I guess.

[simster]

@C_K_Dexter_Haven

It’s a big box of white diamonds WITH a necklace on the top.

The food fight and dwarf nude bathing, like the Goblin King’s song-and-dance, add comedy, and (I think) much needed. The book is full of humor, which the released version was (to my mind) missing. Yes, the dwarves come across as crude and earthy, they guzzle beer and it dribbles all over their beards (as did Gimli at Edoras), they’re seen as comic. I think that helps, it makes them complicated characters and different from standard “heroes.” In the EE, one of them even [spoiler]steals stuff from Riverdell. I like it, but YMMV. There’s also a cute little scene with Fili admiring the female elves in Rivendell, setting up his flirting with the elf-maid in Mirkwood.

ok - I mised the necklace - will just have to rewatch it again.

I agree on the food fight/nude dwarf stuff - and the throwaway line about the pantry and wine reserves being plundered - the scene with fili eyeballing the elf shows that hes really just enamored in general with teh elves (which adds to the thing in the second movie) - and I thought it was all good to add - shows more things of ‘why’ people thought the quest would fail, etc.