No. You’re not allowed to be that fucking lazy so look it up yourself.
I know, and I knew you personally had no misunderstanding. I’ve just seen endless evidence across this forum that people rarely read all the posts in a thread before posting. I’ve even been guilty of it myself. 
Things need to be raised again and again and again and again…
Sorry, that’s not how this works. You’ve made claims, so you have to back them up. Plus, it would be impossible to prove that pressure was NOT applied – trying to prove a negative and all that. So, please provide the cites I asked for. Thanks in advance.
If you want to just make cite-free assertions, that’s fine, but I don’t think they work that well in our debate forums (Great Debates and Elections). Maybe you meant to post this in a thread in IMHO or the Pit?
Sorry, that’s not how this works. You’ve made claims, so you have to back them up.
Please provide cite for your claim that the pressure applied by Joe Biden
I remind you, that for this statement to be true, you would have to prove that the pressure they applied consisted of following elements that Joe Biden admitted when he was caught on tape:
- They would have to demand that Ukrainian authorities fired a specific prosecutor.
- They would have to threaten to withdraw $1 billion in aid, if the previous demand was not met.
- They would have to demand that the firing occurred within the timeframe of 6 hours.
If this cannot be proven (and it’s highly unlikely that it can be), then we know the pressure that Joe Biden applied was different then “IMF, various EU leaders and the American ambassador exerted” (perhaps the pressure they applied consisted of asking Ukrainian authorities to “please, pretty please, promote the prosecutor in question, so he’s out of the way” ).
And the next logical question would be, why did the pressure that Joe Biden apply was different, then the pressure exerted by “the IMF, various EU leaders and the American ambassador”? Was it because his son was involved in Ukrainian politics?
And the logical answer is, because of obvious conflict of interests that Obama administration allowed to occur here, we don’t know.
So, let’s have a congressional hearing (at the very least), where Joe Biden and Hunter Biden testify under oath, documents will be subpoenaed, etc, etc, etc.
And who do you think Burisma thought Hunter Biden was going to lobby, when they hired him?
It could not possibly have been his father, who just happened to be Vice President of the country that refused to provide lethal weapons to Ukraine, refused to impose real sanctions on Russia, and whose President had a history of begging Russia on a range of questions, from pleading for “more space” to “please, don’t hack our elections”…
Or could it?
It is impossible to prove that the pressure was or was not applied on behalf of his son: that’s why we need congressional inquiry, where both father and son will testify under oath.
But the circumstantial evidence is damning, and that’s why the fake news media, controlled by Democrats are going into overdrive, trying to squash this story.
For example, here’s MSNBC, doing it’s “fact-checking” (in other words, lying) and claiming that “Donald Trump has repeatedly suggested without evidence that Joe Biden used his VP position to fire the country top prosecutor”.
Wow. Thanks for opening my eyes. How ashamed I am of having been such an easily-gulled sheeple. :rolleyes:
Here’s a way to prove that pressure applied by Biden pere was not for the benefit of his son: Ukraine has stated that Hunter Biden was not a subject of the investigation. If you’re in no legal danger, you have no need of protection from legal action. Q.E.D.
The investigation was into the owner of the company who was also Minister of Natural Resources from 2010-2012. The investigation was exploring alleged corruption and self-dealing. The prosecutor in charge was widely viewed as burying the investigation, which led to calls from the IMF, the US, the UK, and (IIRC) the EU to clean house and have a prosecutor who would pursue corruption replace him.
Clearly, this is news to you; to suggest otherwise would be to imply that you were arguing in bad faith, and we don’t do that here.
But then, you’re brand-new, so you wouldn’t have known that.
Why don’t the “real news media” do their investigative reporting duties and uncover all of this evidence? The Senate is welcome to open any investigation they want. I doubt the House will, since they already control the media, according to you, and don’t need to do it themselves. Also, why do you say Joe Biden was caught on tape when he was instead bragging in an interview about how they rooted out corruption? Remember, it was the prosecutor that was stopping exactly the kind of investigation that apparently you’d like to see.
Anyway, if you’re going to make statements like “fake news media, controlled by Democrats”, I think our discussion will not prove fruitful so I’ll let you have the final word if you’d like to respond. I’m satisfied that this thread has already shown that there’s no there there in the Hunter Biden non-scandal.
Are you sure that we don’t need Ukraine to investigate like Trump wanted?
Wow, that is some shamefully deceptive editing. I wonder why that YouTuber didn’t let the rest of the sentence play? Oh, right … because the rest of the sentence would have been something like “…in order to protect his son, Hunter.”
Don’t feel bad about being fooled by that. Not everyone is aware of all the deceptive tricks right-wingers will stoop to in order to try to win a lost battle.
“Goalposts have lifted off…”
“Goalposts have achieved orbit…”
“Goalposts at Warp 2… Warp 3… Warp 4…”
I’ve seen nothing that Biden’s duties included lobbying. Are you just making this up?
How about a cite, or at the very least, some semblance of an argument that H. Biden had no qualifications to be a board member of Burisma. I’m sure it’s easy to just parrot the this from whatever right-wing trash news you absorb, but saying it over and over doesn’t make it true.
Remember how barely more than a month ago the news was all about how we shouldn’t believe Biden’s stories?
Someone should talk to these GOP senators,and ask them why they were doing exactly the same thing Biden was, and were asking the inept prosecutor to be removed.
Perhaps all of these GOP senators should be investigated? I mean, they were doing the exact same thing Biden was.
I agree wholeheartedly. Douchiness does not mean doing anything illegal, but one can be a douche and a criminal. I would love to see something made of Trumps kids … look, I know I got my first job because my Dad worked for the company, but I spent real time apprenticed and taking machine tech and ended up fully qualified for the job I did. I would like to know for example exactly hat Ivanka was doing and what her actual qualifications and pay was … and if she is actually doing that job or her underlings are doing all the work and she just gets the photographs taken for show.
Kurt Volker, Trump’s ex-envoy to Ukraine, said in testimony before a House committee today that he warned Giuliani that he was receiving untrustworthy information from Ukrainian political figures about Biden and his son.
Just an update on this.
It appears Peter lifted several passages from…
WIKIPEDIA !
A man who’s a drug addict is not fit to be on a board of any major corporation, that’s kinda obvious, despite whatever trash liberal Goebbels propaganda you absorb.
So, just like user user CarnalK, you’re unable to provide any evidence for the claim that
?
That’s ok, just admit it, and we can move with the discussion.