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No, let the Congress do its duty, subpoena Joe and Hunter Biden, Ukrainian officials, have them testify under oath, etc, etc.
The bipartisan Senate Ukraine Caucus sent a letter in 2016 that said that: “[R]eforms will show Russian President Vladimir Putin that an independent, transparent, and democratic Ukraine can and will succeed. It also offers a stark alternative to the authoritarianism and oligarchic cronyism prevalent in Russia. … We similarly urge you to press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General’s office and judiciary.”
Guess Republicans were against the Prosecutor General before they were for him.
Someone needs to press Rob Portman (R-Ohio), Ron Johnson (R-WI), Mark Kirk (R-IL) about this.
Ask them specifically about why they wanted the Ukraine prosecutor out then. Just like Biden. Ask them why they are now saying NOTHING now.
As I mentioned, Goerge W Bush appointed Hunter to the Amtrak Board of Directors. Was Bush fooled by liberal propaganda?
I wonder what they’d ask about, or what they’d uncover.
I mean, the facts which presumably create the scandal are uncontroverted:
- Biden, as VP, pushed Ukraine to fire a prosecutor
- Biden’s son was on the board of a Ukrainian energy company when this happened.
Also, 3) Hunter Biden was paid a lot of money for his time on the board.
While I realize that some people think this makes for a slam dunk, I don’t see it. What other information would congress uncover? If there is some belief that Biden pushes this firing because Hunter was in trouble, it is not at all supported by anything I’ve seen.
Congressional hearing: “At the time of the firing, was Hunter Biden or the company being investigated or suspected of wrongdoing?”
“No”
“Yeah, I got nothing.”
I mean, I’m sure the next round (when they bring in Trump’s kids to talk about their business dealings since Trump took office) will be at least as illuminating, and probably even more so.
I don’t see a thread on Pence’s complicity in the crime everyone’s talking about. And the only mention of Pence in this thread is a flippant joke. Yet Pence appears to be guilty of a felony in the same matter.
Think of it: The Vice President of the United States is almost obviously guilty of a high crime or treason and that news is so ho-hum in today’s topsy-turvy White House it hardly attracts mention.
I say almost obviously guilty. The Vice President’s defense, apparently is that, when making a special trip as the envoy to follow-up a telephone call between two government chiefs he was unaware of the contents of the call he was following up despite that he’d been briefed on it verbally, had presumably read a transcript of the call, and his top aide had listened in on the call in the first place!
That’s right! Pence’s only defense against a charge of criminal corruption will be that he is stupider than a cockroach.
You have a conveniently low bar for accusing someone of being a drug addict.
I think what certain Republicans are hoping is that a Hunter Biden investigation will reveal that he was in cahoots with Hillary to hide her emails and smuggle children into Comet Ping Pong PIzza so they could be sold as sex slaves. Perhaps as a bonus, an investigation might reveal that Hunter Biden is one of the shape-shifting Lizard People that are trying to take over the world.
The result they are looking for is that the Demon-Rat party is hereby outlawed and all them traitors are rounded up and shot.
I really do think that they believe this sort of thing. They honestly do.
And they have their eyes of Czechoslovakia and Poland.
A man who is a blatantly narcissistic liar who ignores science and promotes hatred is “not fit” to be president of a country, that is obvious. However, you were not asked to provide a citation that Biden was not fit, only that he lacked the requisite qualifications. Making nasty comments does nothing to improve your chances of persuading anyone of your position.
I strongly urge you to tone down the rhetoric and begin participating in an informed and logical manner before you find yourself unable to participate in these fora.
[ /Moderating ]
One of the recent interviews on MSNBC had a guest who had been a diplomat or similar in Ukraine. Apologies as I am not sure who they were. This news cycle is moving so fast now that I don’t even both watching news clips that are more than a day old.
In any case, regardless of who the talking head was, what he said really stuck with me. It was basically that Ukraine is corrupt to the point where if you go over there and say “I want dirt on X” some shifty Slav will come up to you and say “Da! I can get you all kinds of dirt on X” for any value of X.
And it now looks like Congress MUST start investigating Joe Biden, if the Democrats have any shred of decency left (yeah, right)
In a sworn affidavit, prosecutor Victor Shokin testifies that, among other things:
- His actions did not suit Joe Biden and the persons connected to him.
- He was forced out because he was leading wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma
- He was pressured by (at the time) President Poroshenko to wind down investigation into Burisma. Who, in turn, if anyone, could pressure Poroshenko to make such demands of Shokin? Who, indeed…
That sounds like very much true: witness DNC colluding with Ukrainian officials to dig dirt on their political opponents during 2016 elections.
While Don brought everyone but Baron and Tiffany, who he does’t like to be photographed with, into our dysfunctional kleptocratic kakistocracy.
Yeah, and note how what we’re wailing on about here is Ukrainian corruption while excusing our own.
Hm, it’s a bit weird to me to see musings about fitness of this or that person to be a President under “Moderating” tag, but other then that, I’d agree with you.
The disdain President Obama showed for things like history (“my grandfather liberated Auschwitz, while somehow managing not to serve in Soviet army”) or geography (somehow discovering numerous additional US states, other then the 50 that actually exists), that can be excused with Barack Hussein being doped out of his mind on choom, during his formative years.
However, once he grew up, what cannot be excused is his obvious intellectual laziness and absolute refusal to even read books on things like pre-WW2 history, Munich agreement, etc and the dangers of appeasing dictators.
No other explanation can adequately explain him asking President Putin to give him more space, initiating the disastrous “reset” policy, or begging President Putin to stop hacking US elections.
But getting back to the topic here, on one hand we have a sworn testimony, confirming that Prosecutor Shokin was forced out because he was leading wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma.
On the other hand, we got… bupkis.
Did Joe Biden, Hunter Biden or anyone else make statements under oath, disputing Prosecutor Shokin description of events?
“Of course I’m innocent!” said Charles Manson in his defense.
Well, shit, if we have a sworn statement, why should we even pay attention to the piles of evidence to the contrary?
Were any evidence in that pile produced in a court of law and under oath, so that their merits can be evaluated?