And this,
I guess I see a difference between Trump’s deputy chief of staff and a guy who owns a car company and isn’t privy to every private discussion.
“The graveyards are full of indispensable men.”
Yeah. Miller is no more immune to being fired than Musk was. Trump is a narcissist; the world revolves around him, not them.
Can you name anyone who has closer access to Trump?
“top administration officials were debating the timing of strikes against the Houthis in Yemen. And you saw Vice President JD Vance calling the timing a mistake. Then there was some back and forth, and then Stephen Miller chimes in. He basically overrides Vance and the others. He writes, quote, “as I heard it, the president was clear. Green light.” And according to the text chain published by The Atlantic, that basically shut down the debate.”
He’s been a key part of the strategy to overwhelm political opponents with all sorts of directives, including efforts to restrict birthright citizenship and designating Mexican drug cartels as foreign terrorist organizations. You know, he was also, remember, at the center of the most controversial policies of the first administration.
You remember the chaos at the airports after Trump first issued a travel ban on Muslim-majority countries or the zero-tolerance policies on immigration that led to 3,000 children being separated from their parents? But, you know, unlike so many other officials from Trump’s first term, who basically fell out of favor with the president, Miller not only survived, he actually returned with much more power and a more prominent role.
Trump.
Again; Trump is a narcissist. There is only Trump, and a world that exists for the sole purpose of serving and glorifying Trump. Miller is not Trump, therefore in Trump’s world he is of no more value than a random insect. “Access” just means Trump is more likely to notice Miller exists and decide he’s an inconvenience or isn’t sucking up to him enough.
I’d be delighted to be proven wrong.
…and who spent five months essentially living in the White House and was in the Oval Office daily and had an unprecedented level of access to pretty much every federal agency’s computer networks.
I’ll be the first to admit I’m wrong when Miller is fired. But I’m not at all worried about having to do so. I doubt Miller will even be gone once Trump is.
What could anyone possibly divulge about Trump at this point that would matter?
Nobody in this regime is immune from Trump’s whim, but some are better at managing the deranged syphilitic than others. Miller* appears to be better at it than most, but there’s only so long you can hold on to that tiger tail.
*No relation.
Moderating:
The sidebar on Miller, who at this point in time shows no mention of being held liable for the ICE shootings is probably better suited to it’s own thread, the schadenfreude thread, or one of the other P&E Trump Administration threads. No warnings, but a strong suggestion until we see an actual link.
Never mind, missed the mod note by a second or two.
Multiple journalistic sources put the “Pretti was a terrorist that came to massacre law enforcement” narrative on Miller
I lean that way, but there’s zero chance of Trump resigning, so the chances of him pushing out anyone and everyone under him is infinitely higher.
I you look at a list of officials who Trump 45 appointed and then forced out (try Gemini), almost all of them were a bit on the politically centrist side, or at least the normie side (Bolton). Miller and Noem are not the kind he historically gets rid of.
Bondi would go before those two (because of failure to arrest enough enemies). From Trump’s POV, Noem’s and Miller’s hearts are in the right place.
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Multiple journalistic sources put the “Pretti was a terrorist that came to massacre law enforcement” narrative on Miller
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Moderating:
You can reach out to me, or another P&E mod if you feel my judgement is wrong, I have no problems with that. However, you may not question moderation in thread, which you are clearly doing here. I do think this is an good faith question, so I’ll err on the side of caution and not issue any warning, but in light of the confusion, I’ll explain more:
Are an incomplete example of people discussing Miller’s utility/safety in the administration, without mention of the current shootings. I also went on to say in the note (not a warning, a note) -
IE - this ongoing sidebar is premature, and off topic, especially as there have been no cites that Miller’s presence in the administration is specifically at risk as a result of the shootings.
Thus, I am directing the thread to avoid this topic unless it is directly tied to the shootings (which may well happen!) especially when it starts getting into our usual Trump-rut of his teflon nature, the underbussing, and revolving door.
I hope this is more clear for everyone.
I’ll reopen the thread momentarily.
UPDATE - I’ve reconsidered and somewhat loosened the moderation above, but leaving it place for the record. Please follow the more recent note, and thanks to all trying to keep the conversation on track.
QI is a thing but it doesn’t apply if you commit a crime (violating someone’s civil rights is federal crime and state crime in most places). Also, the immunity is from civil actions, not criminal prosecution.
It may be this is needed link to legitimately bring Stephen Miller into the thread:
The Hill: Leavitt distances Trump from Noem, Miller rhetoric on Pretti killing
I also refer back to a link I posted 8 hours ago, where Pretti’s union called for both Noem and Miller to resign.
Totally love how she went after the guy who was attacking her, and said “I don’t run” afterward. Brave lady.
I created an ATMB thread about the issues of moderating what’s on and off topic here. Just letting you guys know in case you want to join the discussion.