Oh, good! You’re the guy who has the list of all the conservative groups who were crushed beneath the hobnailed Birkenstocks of the liberal conspiracy! Where ya been? I’ve been asking for that list for days and days! Well, no matter, you’re here now.
Anyway, while it is a worthwhile argument it is a little off-topic, so I’m going to go back to watching the food-fight about the IRS targeting, not targeting, or not targeting enough conservative groups.
So none of the conservative groups flagged because of their names ever received extra scrutiny? That’s odd. Because your cite indicates otherwise.
And there’s also the Congressional testimony that would seem to indicate otherwise. But they’ve got Tea Party cooties, so maybe we can just ignore that.
Any way, are you the guy with that list? You know, of the conservative groups crushed by hobnailed Birkenstocks of liberal conspiracy? Terr seems to be busy elsewhere…
Absolutely. If some of those groups may have possibly had the potential to deserve extra scrutiny, then there’s nothing wrong with subjecting them all to extra scrutiny.
No, wait. This isn’t a “racial profiling” thread. I guess that explains why our positions are reversed here.
Sorry. It would be illegal for me to have such a list. And apparently my liberal credentials aren’t strong enough for the IRS to have leaked them to me.
Regardless, if you’re the one suggesting that conservative groups have been flagged for extra scrutiny, but none were actually subjected to extra scrutiny, then it’s your burden to provide some evidence.
Terr, if it were that damn simple, you already would have done it. And if you had to wait for my link for your information, how come you were already so sure?
Well, for one thing, it has nothing whatever to do with race. Outside of that, your analogy is valid. Except for the fact that it isn’t. Are you reaching for another liberal hypocrisy ploy, here? Jeez, that seems to be all you guys ever have, these days. Working that poor thing to death!
Some things leaked, yes. You have proof that they were intentionally leaked as a matter of partisan politics? Or are you trying to make innuendo fill in for fact?
Not perzackly. It is my contention that this is a procedural blunder exaggerated out of all proportion because it fits a treasured myth of tighty righties about how persecuted they are. But to be ruthlessly fair, not much of anything at all has been proven. Least of all by you, who have made no attempt to prove, but only sneer and insinuate darkly.
I’m not suggesting liberal hypocrisy. I’m suggesting that you’re being hypocritical.
And the reason it keeps coming up is because you keep doing it.
The point is that your link does nothing more than suggest that some conservative groups may have been deserving of additional scrutiny. And the fact that some individuals may have deserved more scrutiny does not make it ok to subject an entire group to more scrutiny. Do you disagree with that?
Of course not. No one on this board would ever use innuendo in place of fact. Your posts are a shining example of that.
For the record, I was trying to use humor to point out how silly your argument is. Of course I can’t provide a list of all the conservative groups that were subject to extra scrutiny. That’s because that information is confidential by law. The only way I could get that information would be if the IRS leaked it to me, or every single group came forward (which we could never actually know). Moreover, a complete list of conservative groups is entirely irrelevant. I don’t need to prove every instance of targeting to be able to condemn the practice of targeting. So your suggestion that these claims must be invalid unless those of us on this board can provide a complete list of everyone subjected to extra scrutiny is both beside the point and an attempt to set the bar impossibly high.
But yeah, it’s a lot more funny when I explain it.
Excellent. I eagerly await your proof. Just be sure to let me know when it’s coming so I don’t miss it.
I just realized nobody really cares about this but you guys. The rest of the world has shrugged and moved on. All thats left is me arguing with guys who aren’t listening anyway. So, to heck with it.
I mean, how would such a conspiracy even work? Who could initiate it, who has the clout to tell the IRS what to do? And how do you keep it secret? Has Obama got a secret list of total loyalists who can be trusted, or is he borrowing one from the Illuminati.
And how far does it get before security is breached? Every office in America has at least one rightard weirdo, someone who’d rat out his Mom for a clear shot at Megyn Kelly! How the fuck would you keep him from finding out?
What about the memos? Detailing the scheme, how to go about it. Somebody has them, yes? If it happened in a bureaucracy, there’s at least one memo! Nobody called Fox News, says “One hundred grand, and its yours, Sean!”
Somebody wants me to believe that if you put this half-ass plan in front of Obama he’d go for it? “Yeah, sure, what could possibly go wrong! And this has the extra advantage of stopping the Tea Party from wrecking the Republican Party, what’s not to love? …”
And if it wasn’t him that was so fucking stupid as to think this would work, well, then who was it? Who could call the IRS and bark and make shit happen. Fuckin’ Cheney is gone, man…
And Benghazi, man! What about Benghazi! Impeachment is the only thing left to rein in this runaway dictator…
(Semi-seriously, the huge overreaction to Benghazi was “the boy who cried wolf” in respect to the IRS scandal, which actually seems to have involved some wrong-doing. Just not at the level imagined by Glenn Beck. But now, it’s impossible to take them seriously about anything, even a real affair with some actual validity.)
The IRS should be asked why they suddenly decided to give extra scrutiny to adoptions. The crackdown on the adoption tax credit didn’t lead to finding much in the way of wrongdoing.