The Kamala Harris thread

A new poll of 2020 Democratic Presidential contenders shows no surprises for the top two spots. Joe Biden has a big lead at #1 and Bernie Sanders sits comfortably at #2. But at #3, surprisingly, is Kamala Harris with 9%. This is much better than she’s done in previous polls and ahead of other contenders such as Elizabeth Warren. So perhaps it’s time to start taking Harris seriously.

It seems she’ll be advertising herself as a no-nonsense, won’t-back-down progressive and indeed, there are some cases where she has been such. For example, she has always opposed the death penalty, even when it earned her aggressive disagreement from Dianne Feinstein.

There have been plenty of cases, however, where she brought her no-nonsense, won’t-back-down attitude to the opposition of what progressives would normally support. As prosecutor and attorney general in California, she got felony conviction rates to go up, and bragged about it. Then there’s the Daniel Larsen case, in which an innocent man was sent to prison, and later had his conviction overturned. The Attorney General’s office under Harris fought to keep him in prison for years, even after the case brought down a torrent of publicity. Jacobin magazine has compiled a long list of reasons why progressives might not be so happy with Harris’ record, ranging from police shootings to mass incarceration and basic civil rights of prisoners. And then there’s her refusal to prosecute certain banks that went on crime sprees during the financial crisis. (One of the worst offenders was run by Steve Mnuchin, currently a member of Trump’s cabinet.) It’s not hard to imagine some of these things coming back to haunt her, much as the Goldman Sachs issue haunted Hillary.

In a perfect world there would be no need to mention the fact that Harris would be the first woman of color to make a serious run for the presidency. Today’s media environment is far from perfect, however. She could easily collect countless accolades from the New York Times and other legacy media sources, all focused on the “historic” nature of her candinacy. But there seems to be a large and growing gap between the media and Democratic voters. The media has an obsession with identity characteristics of candidates; the voters want policy, especially younger voters. In 2016 younger Democratic voters preferred Bernie to Hillary, even among women.

Most media profiles that I’ve read describe Harris as black. A few mention that her heritage is half South Asian. One hesitates to mention that by physical appearance, she does not look black, though she does meet the census bureau’s official definition of being black. It would be interesting to know how many black people feel what this Kos diarist feels:

As someone who cloaks herself in Blackness, Harris should understand that she was a central cog in the wheel of Black Incarceration. Either she does not, which is nearly impossible to believe considering her schooling and her association with Black culture, or she does understand and chooses to continue both racist and segregationist policies. And here is where my problems begin with Senator Harris.

Senator Harris is NOT by any stretch a Black woman. She is not African American, as was Barack Obama, though she does seek to emulate his meteoric rise to power. The junior senator from California is an Indian/Jamaican American. Not black. Not Black. Not African American.

I don’t know whether enough people feel that way to have a meaningful effect in the primary, but certainly racial identity is a fraught topic that produces strong reactions, as Elizabeth Warren is finding out right now.

I hope she wins (the primary)

Oy. She doesn’t “look black”? Does Valerie Jarrett “look black”? Not only is Jarret black, in the common parlance of race in America, but she’s one of the few blacks whose “family lore” of some Native American ancestry is proven out by DNA testing.

Anyway, it would be a mistake for the Democrats to nominate her as their presidential candidate in 2020. I think she’s just too liberal for the role given the realities of the Electoral College. The Democrats need to remember: It’s the Electoral College, stupid!

Saw plenty of her during the Kavanaugh hearings (which probably caused a bump in her support; she favorably impressed me). The only way I’d have known she was black is that I’ve already been informed of the fact.

Not to derail this thread, but as a quick sidebar: Who do you think it would not be a mistake for the Dems to nominate in 2020?

People with high name recognition are always high up in the polls at this point in the cycle. At this point in the 2004 cycle (the last cycle that wasn’t effectively narrowed way down on the Dem side before it really began), Joe Lieberman was comfortably ahead. So that’s why Biden and Sanders are up there, and the TV exposure that Harris got during the Kavanaugh hearings probably explains why she’s ahead of the rest of the pack - for the moment.

Obviously very few potential 2020 primary voters are focusing on her California record at this point, because very few potential 2020 primary voters are thinking about 2020 more than superficially at this point. (I’ve got November 6, 2018 on my mind right now; 2020 can wait.)

Plenty of time for issues like this to be raised during the primary campaign.

Not John Mace but they need find the whitest, blandest man they can.

Also not John Mace, but I’d suggest Jim Webb.

Jim Webb’s got a pile of problems, which were evident in the 2016 primary season. (I’ve managed to forget what they were, but he’s not the guy that more than a handful of Dems are looking for.)

Sure, so they can bore their own voters to death while the GOP base shows up.

As a Dem primary voter, my attitude is: we’ll see who catches fire next year.

Who needs John Mace? Booker/Biden, Biden/Booker is the dream team ticket - who gets which job almost doesn’t matter. They could even go gimmicky and say Biden takes the top spot for the first term, then steps into the supporting role for the next two!

ETA: Ok, maybe just the next one, I got a little carried away… :slight_smile:

I’m from California and Kamala Harris favorably impressed me – smart, principled, energetic, and not tied to Big anything. She is not as easy to pigeonhole as Warren and Sanders.

I’m sure the Right will hate her to death for being a woman far more than being any non-white race.

Agree. They will find ways to portray her as an uppity woman, and at that an uppity black woman, to feed their base.

IMHO, I like Harris, but I fear she may be too polarizing a figure. For the Democrats to win the election, they need cross-over appeal to people in the center, as well as from the moderate right. Does Harris appeal to anyone other than progressives and liberals? I just remember the old saying “Democrats fall in love, but Republicans fall in-line”.

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She is basically a female, Democratic Ted Cruz (look it up, their professional background is spookily similar). She’ll get evicerated by Trump, like he did.

White, maybe…though I don’t think it’s as important as some do. Man, yes. Bland, NO. We don’t want another Tim Kaine. We need someone with the moxie and aggression and charisma necessary to go toe-to-toe with Trump and make him choke on the debate stage.

Pile of problems, no. His only problem was that he was very rigid and seemed uncomfortable on the debate stage - something that could be solved with proper coaching and guidance and practice. I think a guy who made it through the Naval Academy and the Vietnam War can be taught those things. He’d be a killer candidate against Trump. The problem is, he’s too conservative of a Democrat to get nominated.

Are you from the SF area? Just curious, because see below.

Man, San Francisco progressives did not much like Kamala Harris :p. But then SF progressives tend to think of Dianne Feinstein as Republican-lite. Not saying they represent progressives in general - they very much do not. The Bay Area left skews harder left than much of the national progressive left. Still, it always tickles me seeing the disconnect between how local politicians are viewed and categorized versus wider state and national takes. From the New Yorker on San Francisco:

All of San Francisco’s eleven supervisors are liberal Democrats. The city has not had a Republican mayor since 1964. Somehow, rather than bringing unity, this common ground is scored with difference. The supervisors are said to be divided into progressives, who lean furthest left, and moderates, who lean somewhat less so. The distinction mostly comes down to positions on development (progressives are bullish on subsidized housing; moderates accept more market-rate), local business (moderates embrace growth), tech (progressives are wary), and policing (moderates favor heavier enforcement, sometimes for managing homelessness).

Kamala Harris was considered part of the “moderate” wing. Here’s a view from the harder left.

Well, I don’t need to tell you that Obama is just as much “white” as he is “black,” but people call him “black” because, in popular discourse, whiteness is a measure of “purity.” It’s just like people saying “minorities” when what they really mean is “non-whites.” “Whites,” as defined by the Census, are less than 50% of Los Angeles, so they’re only a plurality, but everyone still understands the term “minority” to mean “non-whites.” These terms are often just as much about ideological underpinnings as they are about anything concrete in the real world.

Senator Harris’s mother is Shyamala Gopalan, born in India. Her father was born in Jamaica.

Or, she’ll evicerate Trump… as B&B’s Attorney General. :wink:

When I ask “but what has Harris done?” the usual answers are “she’s black”, “a woman” and 'a progressive".

Yes, she opposed the Death penalty, which means she joins about half of America. The difference is, she ran for AG, and took a oath to uphold the laws of California- which include the Death penalty.

Most here in CA view her as a “San Francisco Liberal”, which is by no mean complimentary. In fact , in CA she isnt all that popular. Yes, she won, but against no GOp candidates and had three times the cash as her democratic opponent.

She is violently against guns, and in fact took advantage of a weird legal loophole to ban the sale of all new handgun models in CA, as she ruled that microstamping was available, and thus no new gun models could be sold without it: (wiki) *Dealers may not sell any new handgun unless it is listed in the state Department of Justice roster of handguns certified for sale. Listed handguns must include certain mechanical features and pass a set of laboratory tests. Private party transfers, curio/relic handguns, certain single-action revolvers, and pawn/consignment returns are exempt from this requirement.[39] Sale to law enforcement personnel are exempt from list restrictions.

Microstamping
On May 17, 2013, the state attorney general began enforcing a new law requiring that semi-automatic pistols incorporate microstamping.[40] With this technology, very small markings are engraved, using a laser, on the tip of the firing pin and on the breechface of the firearm. When the gun is fired, these etchings may be transferred to the primer by the firing pin, and to the cartridge case head by the breechface, using the pressure created when a round is fired. If successful, this imprints two identifying numbers, unique to that gun, on each spent cartridge casing.[41] This requirement applies to new guns being added to the California Department of Justice’s roster of handguns certified for sale; semi-automatic handgun models already listed on the roster are not required to incorporate microstamping. Note of interest - this law was passed in 2007 and the wording in the law stated that it shall become effective when there are at least two companies, unencumbered by a patent, employing this technology. To date, no manufacturer offers this technology in firearms available to the public.[42]*