You think that Bernie would be campaigning for Trump?
Interesting. In his weekly column last Sunday, Willie Brown admitted that they dated 20 years ago but he didn’t say anything particularly good or bad about her. Apparently their relationship did not end well.
If he runs at all, in effect he will be.
We are all thinking that Trump will be easy to win against, but Bernie- running as a dem or as a 3rd party- will make the Dems lose.
Being politically aligned, you have to wonder why he’s speaking out now. Also, once a cheater, always a cheater so they say. Who else has Harris slept with, and what other skeletons are waiting to fall out of her closet?
The Media likes to focus on this. As I said she’s probably the most vocal anti 2nd amendment person int the race, which hurts her chances in a general election. I suspect the DNC and forces behind the scene will work to take her out of the race if she’s close to the front runner or the front runner before its too late.
I’m on the far left. My lefty Californian friends and I universally loathe Harris.
Who said anything about cheating?
I didn’t even know about it until after they did it, ftr. So you know.
Only for people willing to support the party whose support they want.
The Right Wing media. Willie Brown while for many years separated was still officially married when they dated.
Yup the fans of Trump, serial cheater and pussy-grabber, are pearl clutching that a woman may have slept with men, other than her husband, in her past.
Rest assured. She slept with men in her past. And there are creeps like Willie Brown who want to brag about who they had slept with to anyone who will listen: “I was a stud! This thing worked back then!”
So far, this is sounding like it reflects poorly on Willie Brown. Is he running for President? If not, then I’m not sure any of it is relevant.
Oh, so now it’s a knock on Harris for having a relationship with a man who is separated from his wife?
This is not even a little problematic for either side of the relationship. We don’t expect married but separated people to be off limits for romantic relationships.
Of course women and minorities and Democrats must meet standards that Republicans couldn’t even dream of imposing on their own candidates.
Well to be fair, they might impose them on a female or minority candidate of their own.
Because in it’s current state it is a sad excuse for a political party, but hitching your wagon to it is still one of only two possible routes to the White House
Anyway, go ahead and nominate a bland centrist who mews softly about civility and bipartisanship. They might even win against a Trump- but then what? Democratic presidents are just do-nothing seat-warmers in between progressively more awful Republican presidents. Reagan was worse than Nixon, the Bushes were worse than Reagan, and Trump is on his way to being worse than all of them. Imagine who will follow Trump, if you can stomach it.
This game isn’t working anymore. We need to move to Overton window so far to the left that an unfathomably massive chasm forms between both parties.
Trump spent almost the entirety of the Republican primary condemning Republicans as well as the entire party establishment, and it won him the nomination. Sanders- or any democrat- could do the same in the Democratic primary, to cheers and applause.
Any particular reason? Was it her time as AG?
She comes across as just pretending to be leftist (to me), so I don’t know if she’d actually try to enact any of the stuff she talks about.
We need UHC, anti-trust enforcement, progressive taxes, action on climate change, etc. I’m not sure how much she would do on those fronts. Not that the congress would do much either.
Her role in shutting down Backpage, and her support of SESTA/FOSTA. Her record as a prosecutor and as AG. My friends have either been directly affected by her, or are “never trust a cop” types. If it’s a choice between Trump and Harris, they’ll vote third party. Now, if California goes red, the Dems have bigger problems than trying to appeal to us, so I don’t see the problem of a protest vote in our situation.
I brought this up (or maybe never did, but was planning to) in a thread where someone was arguing against Amy Klobuchar on account of her support of SESTA. While it’s true that Harris (and Klobuchar) voted for the bill, I’m uncertain why this is something that matters to you and your friends given that 97 of 99 senators voted the same way as Harris did…a list that includes Elizabeth Warren, Sherrod Brown, Bernie Sanders, Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, and Klobuchar and Harris, among likely or announced Presidential candidates.
I mean, if Ron Wyden were running, or if you could convince Rand Paul to become a Democrat, slamming Harris (or Klobuchar) for supporting the bill would make sense. But AFAIK these things aren’t happening…so it seems strange to blame Harris for something that everybody else in the race is doing too.
Or are your concerns applicable more broadly to everyone else in the race as well? I’m not getting that sense but maybe I’m wrong–would these folks also be voting third party if it were Booker or Sanders or someone else with the nomination? If not, why not?
Most of the D candidates didn’t just vote for the bill, but cosponsored it, so yes, our concerns are broadly applicable. I imagine many of my friends would vote for Sanders, but I personally am not ride-or-die for him, either. With regard to Harris, it really is a collection of concerns rather than a single vote. We as Californians have been aware of her far longer than the rest of the nation has. We’re almost all way left of the general electorate, and it’s wild for me to come here to the SDMB and see people claim that Harris is too progressive (and the occasional Pit thread about how the board is a leftist echo chamber! WTF?)
There will probably be at least 41 Republican Senators in 2021. Does a progressive agenda have chance of becoming law?
Are there Republicans you loathe less than Harris? If she becomes the nominee will you vote for her? If you lived in a swing state with Harris as nominee, would you campaign for her enthusiastically?
Harris is better than every Republican, but that’s a very low bar for me. If Harris is the nominee, I won’t vote for her because I live in California. I’ll still turn up to vote for local/state things. If I lived in a swing state and she won the primary, I’d probably vote for her, but I’d be an ineffective campaigner since my only heartfelt argument would be that Trump is far worse. Maybe I wouldn’t. If I ever move, I’ll give it some thought.
I don’t really know what y’all are expecting me to say. I’m just responding to Ancient Erudite’s claim that Harris might appeal to the far left. Nuh uh.