The Khadaji Memorial Steelers March to the Super Bowl Thread

I don’t understand your point at all. You haven’t refuted anything I’ve said.

I never said Tomlin wasn’t a good coach. He can’t draft. That’s a big difference. He hasn’t replaced any of the talent he lost over the past 6 years to free agency, retirements or injury. Noll didn’t leave the cupboard bare when he left and either did Cowher. But if Tomlin left tomorrow, do you think there is talent on that team to get to the playoffs? Me either.

And that’s my point. He and Colbert haven’t drafted well in 6 years. Go back and look at Tomlin’s draft picks. If he was any good at drafting and developing talent, we wouldn’t have an offensive line that looks like Swiss cheese. His second round pick of a year ago was Mike Adams. how’s he working out? I’ll tell you. He isn’t. He’s one of the worst O-lineman the Steelers have, and he was supposed to be part of the rebuilding process on the line. Where is Hampton’s replacement? Cut and who knows where.

No one was a bigger fan of Tomlin than I was, and I still maintain that without him, the Steelers would have never won the 6th ring. Tomlin’s coaching was a large part of that. Let’s face it, though. You look at Noll’s record the last 5 seasons, and you are correct. Mediocrity. But that was because of his coaching style, and the fact that his message, or ability to communicate with the newer players, never seemed to catch on. I don’t know why, but every coach has his day, and that includes Tom Landry and Don Shula. Players change, the league changes… But player evaluation doesn’t. That’s why Cowher was able to take Noll’s team and win with them. He was young, aggressive, and was a breath of energy. He pumped that team of Noll’s draft picks full of energy and life and took them to the playoffs.

Same thing when Cowher left. Bill Cowher came from the Marty Schottenheimer coaching tree. See any similarities between the two guys? Marty taught Bill how to coach, and in playoff games, for Marty that meant coaching not to lose, not coaching to win. Cowher’s lone Super Bowl win was a fluke, made possible by a miracle tackle by. Ben running backwards in Indy, and their field goal kicker missing with one of the al-time choke field goal attempts. No one seems to remember that now, but Cowher should have been 0-1 in Super Bowls. And the one he did make, where he lost against the Cowboys, he almost lost that AFC game to the Colts, at Pittsburgh. A Harbaugh Hail Mary in the end zone was dropped, if you remember.

But Cowher’s drafts were good, and he always had players. Tomlin’s coaching style is much better than Cowher’s, and I think that’s been proven by his great results with Cowher’s players.

But now that those players are almost gone, look at the team. You are kidding yourself if you think Tomlin isn’t a big part of this problem. He does the drafting. He does the hiring. Rooney didn’t hire Todd Haley, Tomlin did.

He has had 6 years to put together a young offensive line form the draft, and he has DeCastro (who killed Pouncey by himself this year). That’s it. If Tomlin doesn’t do any of the drafting, then fire Kevin Colbert. But I know Tomlin has input into the players drafted.

We wasted a 1st round pick on Mendenhall, who is now with the Cards. We got nothing for him, but if you want, I guess we got Stephens Howling.

Tomlin cuts the leading rusher from last year, right after signing Felix Jones. The guy didn’t carry a ball once for the Steelers, and Tomlin cuts his leading rusher from a year ago? What kind of decision-making is that, anyway? And he has to sign him back after week one because of the injury to Stephens Howling.

No, Tomlin is not a good judge of talent. I wish I were wrong, but history is on my side, go back and look at his drafts, and then tell me that he’s not a big part of the problem. Maybe the Steelers should hire Cowher and put him in charge of the draft, and let Tomlin coach. And fire Haley. Today.

I think Colbert bears most of the responsibility but whatever. Under Tomlin this team has drafted very well, Timmons and Woodley are in the top tier of linebackers; they would start on any team in the league. Hood and Heyward haven’t been world changers but they certainly aren’t busts either. Worilds doesn’t get much credit but if he were released you can bet he’ll be starting somewhere within the week. Adams, DeCastro, Pouncey, Gilbert were all good draft picks. Yes Adams got schooled by future hall of famers Julius Peppers and Jared Allen. I’m not sure how many LTs with a half-season of starting time under their belts would fare any better, especially when teams are teeing off because they know you can’t run the ball. Beachum was a good late round pick.

As far as guys not being here: Mendenhall, Mundy, Urbik, Mike Wallace, Keenan Lewis. All guys who are NFL calibre starters in other cities. They aren’t in Pittsburgh because the team put themselves under salary cap pressure and had to eventually pay the price.

I think you mean it was made possible by the worst refereeing job not involving scab referees, but whatever. Where did you get the idea that Tomlin controls the Steelers’ drafts? Colbert has been there since long before Tomlin was signed, and he was given control over personnel when he got the GM job in 2010.

No coach in the NFL agrees to stay out of the draft process. Colbert may be ultimately responsible, but Tomlin has to be consulted and ultimately be on board with each pick. I have never heard that Tomlin and Colbert disagreed on a pick, but maybe they have. Tomlin is also responsible for player evaluation and development.

I started going through the Tomlin/Colbert drafts last night, and the results are not good. When I track down every player, I’ll post the results. His first draft wasn’t bad, (2007), but his next draft, 2008, was horrific. There is not one player left from this entire draft on the team (unless I forgot a re-signing somewhere). Mendenhall, the first player the Steeelrs took, was taken ahead of Chris Johnson, Ray Rice, Jamaal Charles, and Matt Forte. Their second round pick was the (in)famous Limas Sweed, perhaps the biggest bust in Tomlin’s fairly brief history. He was a WR from Texas, and he was out of the league by 2009. An oh-fer draft is unacceptable from any POV. so when HongkongFooey says they’ve drafted. “Very Well” under Tomlin’s tenure, I think we need to look at the whole picture.

I know every team has swings and misses, so I’m not unrealistic. But when you have a draft class that only has one player stick, that’s not going to replenish the team’s players lost to FA, injury or retirement.

That was the year the Steelre snagged Dennis Dixon (QB) from Oregon in the 5th round. He was with the Ravens for a short time, but I think he’s out of the league as well.

Like I said, I will track down all of the players if I can, and if it looks better than I remember, I’ll admit it. But don’t have revisionist history on some of these players. Jason Worlids has been a semi-bust, but people are now saying he was a good draft pick. He’s still on the kickoff and punt return teams, not a place you should be finding a stud linebacker in his fifth year int the league. He should be starting and dominating by now.

Also, Mike Adams may turn into a decent O lineman, but right now, he’s considered a second round reach now. He is the lowest graded Steeler I-lineman so fat this year over 4 games, and he has been manhandled. He hasn’t blocked for the running game or for Ben very well yet. He is getting a ton of playing time because Tomlin isn’t carrying a lot of O-linemen, but if he was on a team with a deeper o-line, he’d be on the bench by now.

Ok, that’s it for now. I’ll try to refrain from posting until I’ve been able to track done all of the draft picks. If I can’t find one, I’ll tell you.

SFP

I don’t like to jump on the “so-and-so was released, we must need them!” bandwagon but I see Max Starks was released again so I’ll make an exception this time. Even if Ramon Foster isn’t injured as badly as first thought I would like to see Starks on the roster as a backup guard. His Left tackle days look to be behind him, but he knows the offense and can move people in the running game. Heck, he might be a better option than Foster if his asking price has come down.

Eep! Never mind Starks. A trade with the Cardinals for Levi Brown looks to be a done deal. At least Adams was going to get better, not sure what the motivation is here. Happy dance for Arizona jettisoning that waste of cap space.

What are the Steelers giving up for him? A statue of Brown made of butter? It would improve the Cards’ pass-blocking.

So far all I’ve heard is a conditional pick. We’ll see but I am not optimistic about this deal in the least right now. The need for depth is clear. Maybe they move Brown or Adams inside for a while; that would appeal to me more than seeing Adams on the bench and overpaid Brown in there.

Pete Damilatis ‏ @ pff_pete36m
Mike Adams is one of two lts to surrender 10 combined qb sacks & hits this season. the other? Levi Brown. # Steelers

We’ll trade you Brown AND Adams for Joe Thomas. C’mon! Two for one, how can you pass that up?

I’m happy to say there are no 2 players on your roster I’d take for Joe Thomas. It makes me think your team is in for a rather large slump.

I know you’re all in love with [del]Derek Anderson[/del] Hoyer right now, but are you seriously saying you wouldn’t take Big Ben for any Browns player? I’m not a fan, but he’s a good quarterback, which is worth more than the best lineman in the game.

I’m not in love with Hoyer, and the Browns definitely need a QB above all else, but no, I don’t think so. Ben has taken too much of a beating, he’s near the end of his career. It’s going to be a struggle from here on out. Joe Thomas is in his prime and has much more playing time left.

Wow, the Brown trade smacks of desperation.

According to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Adams was rated the 69th tackle out of 72. Brown is rated the 60th best tackle.

For that, we give up a 5th round pick, and we pick up a salary that will further hinder the Steelers ability to build a team. What this move means is anyone’s guess, but it’s an awful trade right now.

The best part of this trade is it has been rumored that the Cards were just about to cut Brown.

I am starting to get the feeling that Kevin Colbert drafts based on Mel Kiper’s racism and he does no evaluation of his own. Tomlin is involved in the drafting process, so he and Colbert must be on the same page.

I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating. If drafting is Colberts job, then player development is Tomlin’s. And he has failed miserably since he’s been the head coach of the a Steelers. Now he obviously needs to reply on his coaches, but boy this is a craptastic team getting worse by the day.

Mel Kiper’s racism?

The only thing I’ve read that makes even a little bit of sense is that this is a LSH type signing – a guy that remembers Todd Haley’s “system” in Arizona. So are we buying more into Todd, or giving him more rope to hang himself…?

Well, Hoyer is out for the season. I think the Browns were serious contenders for the division with him, and probably not without him. Weeden is just too slow, he can’t process things at NFL speed, he can’t throw to a spot, he can’t do much of anything but occasionally sling a great pass into a tight window that he created due to waiting for the receiver to be open for 2 seconds before throwing the ball. But ESPN compiled the stats - the average release for Hoyer was 2.8 seconds after the snap, Weeden is 4.3. That’s an insanely wide gulf, and it shows. The offense just doesn’t run under Weeden. Not that Hoyer was great, but he wasn’t single handedly dragging the offense down - he could’ve had the offense going to the point of competence, Gordon and Cameron could’ve been stars, and the defense would’ve won games.

There’s always Josh Freeman. Whatever his flaws as a quarterback are, he can wing the fuck out of the ball to Josh Gordon downfield. Anyway, three wins might be enough to take the division if the Bungles aren’t for real. :wink:

:smack: you can thank my fucking apple iPad with the worst auto correct program on the planet. This thing makes words up! That was supposed to read "Mel Kiper’s ratings. How it got racism out of that only apple’s fucking programmers know. If anyone knows how to tun off the auto correct “feature” send me a PM. I can’t figure it out, and I hate it!

I’m really bummed that Hoyer went down. I will be rooting for the Browns this season. Of course, the AFC North is so bad this year, Steeler fans are still trying to delude themselves in thinking the Steelers have a shot. Well the Steelers would, but this team isn’t the Steelers. It’s like when the prisoners stole the Mean Machine uniforms from the Guardsmen. They are in Steeler uniforms, but I don’t recognize them.

Since the Browns had the balls to dump their number one draft pick and stud Trent Richardson, they’ve gone 3-0. I love it! The Browns fans deserve a break and I don’t have any hate for the brown anymore. My hate moved to Baltimore when the Browns became the Ravens. I hate that team, and I think its mostly because they were the Browns before they moved.

The new Browns? I can’t muster up any energy to hate them, so I’m going to root for them. Of course, if the Steelers somehow turn things around, I’ll root for the home team, but I just don’t see it.

Besides, the Pirates season has been more than enough to make me happy this year. I could live with the Steelers getting a top 5 draft pick.

Open the Setting thing (the gears icon), select Keyboard, adjust the switches to your liking. (Note that a BT keyboard does not seem to be subject to auto-correct IME.)