The Knife Thread

I was reading MikeG’s thread about knives and thought I would start an information thread about them. I know that there are several blade enthusiasts at these boards and I think many people could benefit from some extra information about them, myself included.

The first rule of knives is that there is one and only one true Swiss Army Knife and that is the one made by Victorinox. No other Swiss army knife exists that holds a candle to the Victorinox product. I have pulled the corkscrew on a Wenger into a nearly straight, kinked piece of wire. Their product is so obviously a “me too” piece of junk that we will cease to mention them as of now.

There are many other rules as well. I think we can safely assume that any product with a spoon or fork on it may not be called a true knife. Please submit your own perceptions about them. I’m interested to see the virtual fist fights we can start here over microserration and serrated blades versus what I’ll refer to as straightedge blades. I will always prefer straightedge blades myself. They give the cleanest cut and offer the most control. Maximizing an entry wound cavity is of little import to me for how I most often use my blades.

Personally, I have found Buck knives to be totally overrated. They do not hold an edge and their pocket tool design reeks of “me too” engineering. I always used to favor the Gerber pocket tool over the Leatherman because you did not expose the sharp inner edges of the blade case when deploying the pliers. However, the hinge on the Gerber absolutely stinks in comparison to the Victorinox pocket tool, which is the finest I have seen so far.

I’ll pose a question to Mister M and the other blade fans here. I’m looking for something to replace my Gerber folding lock blade that I have carried for the last 20 or so years. I have always liked the Puma dual blade folding knife. I believe it was the model called the “Forester”. The steel seemed of good quality. Is there any other brand that is better without breaking the bank? I’m looking to spend less than $200.00 USD on this.

Some hardwood or bone handles would be nice. I really like Damascene blades but know very little about them aside from their stratospheric price tags. If I can find one for under $200.00 it would almost certainly be a lock. One of the highest priorities is retention of edge, next would be ease of sharpening. I prefer a hollow ground blade but will consider other styles. I have always carried a Gerber because they were so much thinner than the Buck “Ranger” folding blades. The Puma was equally thin and caught my eye for that reason. The blades must lock in place and a brass frame would be really nice. A “cutout” type of perforated frame might be considered, but I like for a blade to receive maximum protection from the elements when folded.

So, all of you cutups out there please check in with your knife stories and any suggestions about what sort of knife I should buy. I’ll go research Puma and see if I can identify the model I was talking about for reference here.

Although product testimonials are a bit tacky, I’m also hoping that Army knife enthusiasts like myself will check in here with proclamations of their superiority. Personally, I cannot imagine life without them and refuse to leave the house without one. I keep a “Champion” model in my clean room semiconductor service tool kit. People do not understand how useful they are until they own one themselves.

So tally ho, and off we go with the knife thread!

Zenster, if you don’t mind, can I add a piggy back request for info.

Agreed.

I like Gerbers too. When giving advice on the cool lock blade to covet, could someone that wears suits chime in with thoughts on a very thin and lightweight model that can hold it’s own.

Anyone familiar with whittling knives? I like cutting wooden chains when camping. I’m visiting the US soon and need to pick up a new one. Prefer the 3 blade variety, with the longest blade about 2 inches in length. Have used the Schrade “Old Timer” before and it’s pretty good. Just curious if anyone whittles with a jack knife any more and what they would recommend these days?

Who doesn’t love a good old X-Acto knife?

I have to agree with you, Zenster. For Swiss Army Knives, Victorinox is superior to Wenger. I’ve had mine for 11 years and it is still in prime condition… and I use it every day.

Since 1973 I have carried a Schrade 8OT in my pocket. I feel naked with out it. Some day I hope to buy a Ka-Bar, but as of now see no use for it. Has anyone used the Schrade pocket tool? Need info.

I agree that Victorinox is the only Swiss Army Knife (although Wenger is also Official – Cecil said so). I have six Victorinox and no Wengers.

Is Buck overrated? Mine were made in the 1970s. Maybe quality control has gone down. My 110 Folding Hunters will never have as keen a blade as my Victorinox knives, but the blade is much thicker and is used for a different purpose. I’d buy another Buck.

Serrated vs. straight blades: I prefer straight blades because they are easier to sharpen. I disagree that serrated blades are for “maximizing an entry wound cavity”. I believe they are there for such things as cutting rope.

I like the Gerber multi-tool because I like the way you can flick the pliers out.

I have a Gerber Mk.II dagger with serrations mid-blade. I wish they still made them. I’d get one w/o the serrations.

X-acto knives are great. I love them.

As far as “testimonials” go, I’ve gotten the most use out of my old Champion. I have a lot of knives, but the Champion has been the one I turn to most. Now that I have a Swiss Champ (which has pliers, pen, fine screwdriver, pliers and a couple other thing the Champion doesn’t), it will probably be used more.

Thanks for the referral and here are my thoughts.
As I made clear, I am a big fan of Benchmade. I think they are one of the best blademakers in the US. Their quality, small size, commitment to customer sevice and fine designs have won me over.
That said, I will admit to being a bit of a snob regarding knives. This does not mean I can only carry or talk about expensive knives, but rather I look for innate quality in materials, design, and execution. This is one of the reasons I like Buck so much. They have really high quality steel and that is the first and last criteria in my mind.

I prefer a high carbon steel but as most manufacturers do not offer them due to warranty/maintenance issues, I have found a few stainless types that are good compromises. ATS34 is probably the most popular especially among smaller mfrs. It is a good all purpose blade steel that takes and holds an edge well. AUS-M is almost identical but comes from different mills and has IIRC, a slightly higher Si content.

I’m at work right now and missing all my bookmarks but if you go to http://www.benchmade.com and look in their forum, I’m sure you will find the reference to James_______'s site wherein he gives detailed breakdowns on metallurgy and designs. (this is why I got out of sales…can’t remember a name to save my life!)

More when I’ve had a chance to think about it.

Oh and Johnny? I love that MKII! I am always looking for one but whenever I find one, I am broke.

Welp, I’m gonna have to pop in and defend Wenger. I have no use whatsoever for the corkscrews, but all the other tools have never failed for me. The blades are beautiful, (as are the Victorinox ones, of course), but the main difference to me is in the scissors. The mechanical system is much better than the spring that Victorinox uses, IMO. Everything else, as far as I can tell, is very very similar in quality. Never had problems with my Wengers.

And, as usual, I agree with Mike on the Benchmade knives. ATS-34 was always the best, but now they’re using 154-CM, which as far as I’ve been able to find out, is essentially ATS-34 made in America instead of Japan. It’s good stuff.

As for Buck, well… I think they have a lot of skill when they try, but all too often they seem to want to focus on making their knives more cost-effective than superior. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, there’s a lot of people who don’t want to spend $200 on a knife, but I’ve often been dissapointed in something that they were coming out with because they decided to make it cheaper than better.

I believe CRKT to be the best when it comes to affordability. They don’t cost a whole lot, but they’re still made very, very good. My KISS has never given me a whiff of trouble, and it was $70, Canadian money. Of course, being the Lord of Blades, I need to get my mitts on a Benchmade 940, as soon as I’m no longer broke. :smiley:

Oh, and I like a blade with half serrations and half straightedge. Gives you the best of both worlds.

Thanks for the back up but…
Serrations?!?! Heathen!!! Serrations are for people who can’t maintain an edge! :wink:

That 940 looks like a straight razor…it’s sweet and I can’t wait to get one.

I was given a Buck folding hunting knife in 1971. It doesn’t hold an edge, it takes forever to sharpen, it is heavy and fits the hand poorly. I keep it around because the person who gave it to me thinks Buck knives are great. I own multiple Gerber knives and they are excellent. I carry a serrated blade Gerber as well as a straight blade Gerber while hunting. The serrated blade is used for all the tasks I won’t use the straight blade on. I take very good care of my knives and keep all of them super sharp. I will resharpen a knife as soon as possible after using it.

Hmmm…
I never had a use for a corkscrew on a knife in any case. On the other hand, I had a fine knife when I was in Scouts that had a fork and spoon. It worked nicely for me for years, until I gave it to my brother when he became a Scout. He still has it.

SAKs are nice little tools, but I prefer my leatherman. It suits my needs better than the other pocket tools. With the pocket tools, I’ve found that you still have to do a bit of picking-and-choosing, as no two are quite alike, and where one meets my needs exactly, another may just not do.

I’ve an older Buck, and it’s as nice a knife as any I’ve ever owned, but is now just too big for convenient carry, as is my Case. I’m a fan of Cold Steel, and to lesser degree, Spiderco. Both create nice quality knives. The Cold Steel stuff is very robust, and takes one helluva beating.

My real love in knives are Al Mar’s stuff, though. Beautifully shaped, strong, and durable. I’ve caried an Al Mar for about 13 years now, and it’s as good as the day it was made.

Cold Steel is really good, and low-priced (all the folders are under $150). They’re incredibly tough, with video (free with order) to back up all their claims. Warranty is 1 year on folders/5 years on fixed-blades, and they’re very nice about it*. Most of the folders have Kraton handles, but there are a few all-steel models. The vast majority of them (all the lockbacks) are single-blade, though.

Disclaimer: I’m not connected with them in any way other than “impressed customer”, etc.

well, I guess I’m the minority here.

I am a ** HUGE ** fan of Jaguar knives.

I’ve got many knives, but Jaguars are the only knives which are truly, in my opinion, really solid. Here’s a link to some of them–
http://www.geocities.com/adam_the_pyro_2000/navyknife.jpg that one’s my Navy SEAL throwing boot knife. very well weighted, blade through handle construction, and EXTREMELY sharp

http://www.geocities.com/adam_the_pyro_2000/jaguar.jpg This was my first jaguar knife I still can’t believe I lost the fucker. I spent weeks looking for it, I think I lost it fishing.
http://www.geocities.com/adam_the_pyro_2000/silverant.jpg This knife replaced the above Jag that I lost. This blade is so VERY sturdy, I can’t feel any wiggle at all, in any direction. very VERY sharp, and no problems with it

I, too, don’t like Bucks too much. I have a Buck “Mentor” knife, blasted thing couldn’t even gut a deer, I had to resort to a knife I purchased in Yellowstone (complete with cut-through blood groove and sharp blade)

I have a 1971 Marine Corps knife, dried leather handle, and leaher sheath. just think “Rambo knife” without the back-serreration. it’s got a 7-inch blade, and I’ve used it to split wood, and it’s still sharp enough to slit right through paper. I’d buy another.

oh yea, my first jag was about 12.50 and that Silver Ant is only 9.50

both have solid aluminum handles, the first Jag was brushed aluminum

both with rubber inlay in the grips

Depending on the size of the animal, I like to use my Dad’s Old Hickory skinning knife - it’s got just the right curve and blade size.

For the rest…

An ulu for chopping and some slicing - I might use one for actual butchering, but I don’t have any big/heavy enough, Victorinox Swiss Army knife (one of the little ones with only three or four attachments) for whittling and hot dog sticks, X-acto for detail work, and a replica main-gauche for amusement. (At least I think it’s a main-gauche).

This sure caught my eye. Scroll down and click on the “Keramik Knives” link at the left to view the blades. Second from the top is a gem. If it had two blades it might be sold. Sadly, I see no trace of their old twin blade model.

PUMA Light Keramik Blade, 8 cm from Zirconia Keramik anthrazit, closed 11,5 cm, weight: 60 grams, Model #23 3265.

Any feedback on Zirconia blades? The fact that Puma’s website hasn’t been updated for years sure doesn’t bode well. I’m still hoping that someone can churn up a thin body, twin blade knife. I’m not really into the carbon fiber grips and high tech features. I just want some good steel.

Does anyone even make a folding Damascene blade, or are such knives so costly that they are only made in a one piece tang form?

I can’t say that I’ve got any folding knives, save my Victorinox on my keychain, so I’ll tell you what I do have: [ul][li]Cold SteelRecon Tanto: Carbon Steel and excellent laser finished/sharpened edge. This was my primary blade while on duty.[]K-Bar: what can I say? Tried and true, a great and lasting blade. You know the rest.[]Parker Brothers 6" boot knives (2): I wish I had one of these down here in Kentucky, but to be honest I haven’t looked at either of them since I unpacked in Ohio 7 months ago, and I don’t recall much. Nice balance, good dagger, though I didn’t care for the screw-cap on the handle.BSA folding 4" knife. Huh, I guess I do have a folding knife, thanks to the Boy Scouts of America. Good, sturdy blade. Fits the hand well, too.[/ul][/li]I know I’ve got one or two more, but nothing spectacular.
I’ve always wanted a MKII, as well. I’m gonna have to find one of those somewhere…

[a bold attempt at a fix-Czarcasm]
[Edited by Czarcasm on 06-12-2001 at 07:30 PM]

That does it! I am officially hooked on Damascene blades. The patterns can be breath taking. The Hakkapella pattern looks like malachite and the rose pattern is almost painful to look at. The twist is pretty tasty, as is the ladder. The possible variations are stunning, as is this Spirograph pattern by master blade maker Mark Devon.

Me? I want to go whole hog and get a twin blade combination Damascene long blade and etched meteorite short blade with etched meteorite scales in a fileworked frame. I have always wanted to own an etched piece of meteorite. The Widmanstatten patterns exposed when the hard metal is chemically attacked are nearly psychedellic. To carry it as a blade would be a delight. This one guy is nucking futs. Beware, all of you who are financially faint of heart.

I do believe that I am actually salivating. Admit it folks, are these blades not jaw dropping? I have just found a relatively simple way to burn a signicant quantity of cash. I should probably just save my money and get the Puma Zirconia blade. It’s probably lots cheaper. <insert rolleyes smilie here>

The other knife thread inspired me to go and buy a daily carry knife, so after a bit of research I went and picked up a CRKT S-2. It doesn’t have the beauty of natural handles or a damascus blade, but it has an simple elegance that wouldn’t look too out of place with a nice outfit. Two features I really like are the titanium handle and the frame lock. That’s the kind of lock used in the Chris Reeves Sebenza: it’s like a liner lock except the actual frame, rather than a separate liner, locks with the blade. This results in a solid lockup that gets stronger as you grip the frame. The blade is 2.9", ATS-34, hollow ground, and the quality is far beyond what I expected for US$70. (If I sound like a raving lunatic, that’s 'cause I just bought this tonight and I’ve been playing with it since.)

If you change your mind about Buck, you can custom build a 110 for a starting price of US$65 at http://shoppe.buckknives.com/ – I went with a BG-42 blade, indigo royalwood handles, and silver bolsters, but in the end the server rejected my credit card number for some reason. If I had money I could have gone for a damascus blade with a stag or mother of pearl handle. Mm.

Regarding serrations: I have a half-serrated Spyderco Delica, but since I found I rarely used the serrations, I’m going with straight blades from now on. If I had to, I can add microserrations with a coarse stone. I can see how serrations might be useful to a sailor who has to cut a lot of rope though.

Benchmade lover checking in…

Benchmade has a few nice knives that suit-wearers can get away with. The Spike, the Leopard Cub, and the Mel Pardue. The mini versions (2.5 to 3 inch blades) of the Spike and Cub are around $120 retail, the last time I looked (3 years ago?). The Mel Pardue (if you can still get it, I haven’t seen one in awhile) is over $300 retail. I carry a Benchmade mini-AFCK that is an awesome knife, and I can get away with it when I wear a suit for a month out of every year.

I love ATS34 in my knife. I ground down the angle from 25 degrees to 20 for a sharper edge, and have read that some people take their BM’s down to 15 to 18 degrees. I have a half-serrated blade that I like because it guts boxes quickly, but I’m thinking that my next knife will be a full straightedge because it will be easier to sharpen.

Speaking of…I need to find a new sharpening system- I have a Lansky that usually ends up pissing me off. I want something that I can use to quickly sharpen my blade where a steeling rod fails. I (ab)use my knife a lot- carpet, boxes, Guiness cans to show-off the nitrogen cartridge, etc. So I need something that I can run my knife through once a week for a few minutes to get it razor again.

Anyone have any ideas?

-Tcat