A reincarnation of this thread All I can think of is that Chicago has the largest concentration of Poles outside Warsaw. Anything else? Anything not mentioned in the other thread?
Reading the previous thread, it seems that a lot of people make a lot of claims that are hard to substantiate.
For instance: “Sydney has the largest population of Greeks outside of Athens.”
In the 2001 Canadian census, 61,955 residents of Toronto identified themselves as Greek (alone). According to Wikipedia, 31.7%, or 34,866, of Australia’s 109,988 Greek citizens live in New South Wales (of which Sydney is the capital). If those figures can be trusted, Sydney’s Greek population is just 56% of Toronto’s.
Is Los Angeles’ Japanese population of ~37,000 exceeded anywhere? New York and Vancouver both have ~27,000, which are the first two contenders that jumped to mind.
Probably somewhere in Brazil. It’s the country with the largest Japanese population outside Japan.
As someone mentions in the other thread are you measuring how many people born in Poland or whatever country that live in a city abroad or those of Polish (or whatever) descent in these cities?
There has been large-scale Polish emigration to Ireland and the UK in recent years and it wouldn’t surprise me if London (maybe even Dublin) has a higher number of people born in Poland than Chicago does. I don’t have any statistics but it would be worth investigating.
Los Angeles: Mexicans / Mexico; Koreans / Korea; Persians / Iran; Armenians / Armenia
Washington, DC: Ethiopians / Ethiopia
St. Louis: Bosnians / Bosnia
Cleveland: Hungarians / Hungary
Dearborn, Michigan: Arabs / the Middle East
Berlin: Turks / Turkey
Thunder Bay, Ontario: Finns / Finland
Lumpkin County, Georgia: kangaroos / Australia
I don’t think so, but Los Angeles has the largest populations of people from the following countries outside of those countries (unless something has changed in the last five or so years):
Mexico
Korea
Armenia
Thailand
Britain
Canada
(Some of these last two may technically live in Santa Monica, and many of them are here illegally)
Probably also:
El Salvador (many illegally here)
Guatemala (")
Iran
Russia
Close to Los Angeles:
(maybe) Monterrey Park (Taiwan, if you consider it a country)
(Definitely) Westminister (Vietnam)
There are some other enclaves, but I’m not sure how they compare.
This is correct Sao Paulo Brazil is the largest concentration of Japanese outside of Japan
You will bump into a lot of Greeks in Sydney - although actually most of them these days are their Australian-born children (so I wonder if that skews the results?), but I have never heard that claim about Sydney. I’ve heard it about Melbourne often enough though.
Yes, Cerowyn, the claim is made about Melbourne, not Sydney. Also, you are not comparing like with like because you refer to Greek Canadians who merely identify as Greek, and you are comparing that to the number of Australians who are Greek citizens.
Having said that, it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if the oft quoted thing about Melbourne having the largest number of Greeks of any city outside Athens is incorrect.
I’ve also heard that Melbourne has the third largest, Thessaloniki having the second largest.
Until you define precisely what population you are talking about I’m guessing it’s hard one to pin down.
Do you have some figures for Greek citizens who live in Melbourne? I could find none. I found a Wikitravel link that claims that Melbourne is also the largest Italian city outside of Italy with 230,000 Italians. Are those all Italian citizens, too? 'Cause the same census I mention above gives a figure of 309,350 Italians for Toronto (429,380 who also identify as something else).
Anyway, I wasn’t trying to take a shot at Australians, I was merely picking on some claims from the other thread to demonstrate that they are far more often made than accurate.
The Bureau of stats gives a figure of 238,000 Australians born in Italy so that figure for just Melbourne must be including 2nd gen (or just plain bollocks, of course).
The claim about Melbourne being the biggest Greek city after Athens is frequently made (I’ve never heard it of Sydney - even in the linked thread) and it may even have been true just after the big waves of Greek immigration in the 50’s and 60’s but not these days. If you look at my link you see Italian/Greek proportions in Aus are going down by a lot as all those old migrants are dying off now
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Good one! Actually, yes, there are so many Bosnians here, they upped the population figures for the area!
I believe Laos has the largest population of Lao people outside of Thailand. (In Thailand’s upper Northeast, Lao is the predominant ethnicity.)
As far as that goes, doesn’t Samoa have the largest population of Samoans outside of Los Angeles? I’m sure I remember something about LA having more Samoans that Samoa does.
Isn’t there a huge concentration of Hmong people in N. Carolina?
Also, London has - allegedly - the largest number of Hasidic Jews outside Israel. My brother lives near the Hasidic area in Hackney, and I’ve walked and driven through it a lot, and they appear to constitute the majority population - 20,000 according to this - and during the winter they wear the funkiest hats I’ve ever seen.
In California and Minnesota, too. But I was referring specifically to ethnic Lao. I’m afraid most of the Hmong we have in Thailand are in camps waiting to get shoved back into Laos.
You’re right – I was conflating Wallenstein’s “more greeks in sydney than in athens” with the OP’s question.
Do you have cites for any of these?
According to wikipedia Dearborn, Michigan only has a population of about 90,000 with about a third of them being Arab-Americans. I doubt there are less than 30,000 Arabs in London, Paris or a number of other cities outside the Middle East.
I don’t know about Samoans*, but you have to define your parameters before you make comparisons. The focus here and in the original thread is on cities in countries outside of the “home country” of that people. Also, this thread and the original both have addressed nationality, not ethnicity.
What point is there is saying: “Switzerland has the largest population of French Swiss outside of Upper Volta” just because a lot of French Swiss people have emigrated to Upper Volta? Or, for that matter, “France has the largest number of French-speakers outside of the French-speaking part of Switzerland. In Geneva, French is the predominant lanugage”? You could go on like that forever without touching on OP’s intent.
*Technically, they’re in the City of Carson, but that’s still in L.A. County.