I’d be interested in your thoughts of how is the life of a “not-so-smart” (say 80ish IQ) person different from a smart person (say IQ 110-120) …
Kinda hard to explain what I am looking for … mostly the “soft” things like:
inner dialogue (or lack of)
introspection
abstraction
learnings
impulse
For discussions sake lets assume (generic) twin brothers with the same upbringing living next door
what can we assume (assume is close enough) that the smarter one is doing that the other wont (and vice versa) …
Kindalike those corny adult-gets-swapped-into-kids-body or woman-gets-swapped-into-mans-body movies … just differently … smart guy gets swapped into not-so-smart brain …
Well, the individual in question would not be qualified for jobs that pay really, really well but might get lucky and get a job in the post office or the CTA or a similar job. He might, however, get himself classified as partially disabled and receive financial aid. In other countries that aren’t as people oriented, however, he might simply be sentenced to manual labor and a low pay. He would scrape by barely above the poverty level.
I’ve never had the privilege of being in a Vulcan mind meld with an 80 IQ individual, but based on conversations, I have the subjective guesstimated opinion that the difference between an 80 IQ mind and a 130 IQ mind is the complexity of abstraction that the mind can engage in. A higher intelligence can hold a more intricate set of moving parts in mind and treat the entirety of it as a noun and consider how it interacts with other, equally complex processes.
Lower IQ people definitely have inner dialogues, are introspective and have strong passionate engagement with their own curiosity and opinions and perceptions.
First they’re not necessarily stupid if they are intellectually challenged.
I know zip, zero, nada about math. I can still manage my money and time. I’ve learned tricks to do this.
The people I’ve encountered that are less intelligent are harder to explain intricate details to. And have less understanding of what I may mean to say.
I have speech challenges, altho’ I hear well. It amazes me how many people think I’m stupid because of it. They yell, they over explain things.
I know this is just the way it is. Ehh, I’ll live.
Try not to do this. It’s just not the nice thing to do.
yep, just a random thought experiment/shower thoughts
… trying to understand how different levels of smartness make one decode a given environment (“life”) differently …
do not-so-smart people lead happier lives (“ignorance is bliss”) as they might be less worried what tomorrow brings? or would they suffer more in life, due to less-than-good decision taking?
I’m not sure what you mean by this, but a vast amount of data supports the fact that performance across different types of cognitive task is fairly well correlated. A “general intelligence” factor explains about half the variance. In other words, if someone are good at one task, they are quite likely to be good at a different task.
It’s correlation, not certainty - it’s possible that someone who performs poorly at one thing may perform well at another. But it’s statistically unlikely - the popular notion of the opposite, that someone who is bad at one type of thing is more likely to be good at something different feels comforting but is unfortunately wrong.
I am not sure why he asked it but I do think it is a valid question. In most cases less intelligent people will be working under someone and will seldom have anyone working under them. What society does not want is 25% of it’s population walking around feeling angry and resentful at the rest of the world. So it is important that society recognizes this and finds ways for these people to excel or at least become competent at something. Most everyone can become good at something.
You’re reading too much into it. I simply don’t like saying people are stupid. Or hearing it.
Surely some people are challenged. It doesn’t mean they can’t have happy, productive lives.
What I think is a stupid person is someone who will not try and learn better ways to accommodate their challenge. Or someone who is just unable/unwilling to be taught.
Some people can be willfully stupid, in that they don’t believe that knowledge or thought are important and it’s sufficient unto the day to operate on instinct and what other people tell them. Those people may not have any organic or inherent reason to be below average in intelligence (insofar as this can be measured), and if they had been raised differently might have done better.
Other people do have organic/inherent difficulties that reduce their performance to below normal. I think Ms Beck may be suggesting that these people shouldn’t be called “stupid” and that to do so is mean-spirited.
eta: ninja’d by the person herself, so just consider this my opinion.
IQ is now a bullshit measurement. It was suppose do measure HOW a person thinks, how they would solve a problem. To measure their thinking process and critical thinking skills. You should need almost no factual information to reach a good answer. A 5 year old could do well on an IQ test as a 50 year old.
It has become a knowledge based measurement of how much a person knows, not their critical thinking skills.
If your IQ score is what you are proud of, good for you, everyone needs something.
Not you)