Poly, if GG finds out you’re Catholic, there will be hell to pay.
Not that I would be the one to tell him.
A seminar on time travel will be held two weeks ago.
Hey, Wally? Weren’t you around for the mock-battles between me and Pickman’s Model? I’m Episcopalian. (If PM were still posting regularly, I’d throw off a couple of ironic lines about “the only true Catholics, as opposed to those Papists” to get a little repartee going, but Tom and Melin don’t seem to be into that sort of gambit as a rule, and I don’t want to come across with what are apparently real insults.)
Of course. I completely forgot.
It’s me that’s Catholic.
A seminar on time travel will be held two weeks ago.
Ah, Episcopalian, Catholic, same difference.
They’ve both got Bishops.
(Must be hell having to go through life only being able to move diagonally.)
Just wanted to drop a line to say I am NOT LEAVING!!!
That’s nice GG. You are welcome to stay as long as you wish.
Are you planning on posting anything more humble? Or will you stop trying to tell God who should be let into Paradise? I shake my head at the overweening pride needed to try to make God conform to your wishes.
Ca-chunk! Rimshot.
A seminar on time travel will be held two weeks ago.
I am not telling God who is BAD he can read YOUR heart and I hope this answers your question on posting more!
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass
away. (Spoken by Jesus.)
–Matthew 24:35
What do you have that will last? Not much – the love you
have for God and his children, the praise you offer him, and
the Word he has spoken to use through his Spirit, the prophets,
and his Son, Jesus. Invest in these things and you will never
be without lasting profit!
Eternal God and loving Father, give me wisdom to discern
what is truly lasting and invest my life in those things that
will never suffer decay. Thank you for sending Jesus to teach
me truth that will last. I want to be obedient to his words
and his life. Bless me in ways that help me live a life that
is true. Through Jesus, my eternal Savior I pray. Amen.
P.S.-I am not sinning I am preacing, testifying!
Scram, kid, you’re bothering me.
–Wally 1:1
Stop telling God what to do.
Greater is he that is in us (Christians) than he that is in the World! You are in the world
Have a nice Day & God Bless
GodlyGuy
A little more preaching from something you probably need and I am not homeschooled!
Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone
loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For
everything in the world - the cravings of sinful man, the lust
of his eyes, and the boasting of what he has and does - comes
not from the Father but from the world.
–1 John 2:15-16
Love for things, especially temporary ones, can sure get us
in trouble. Even worse, we can begin to think they will make
us happy or fill the empty places in our hearts. But if we
really place our hopes and dreams in our Abba Father, we are
attached to eternity, and what we need most is always with us!
Give me wisdom, Holy God, to invest in you and things that
matter. I confess to you that my eyes and my heart are often
distracted by the glitzy stuff that is temporary. By your
Spirit, O Father, stir my heart to yearn for you. Through
Jesus I pray,
Amen
In Christ,
GodlyGuy
GG, do you have ANY ideas of your own?
Stop telling God what to do.
Okay, maybe I’m just revealing that I slept through Sunday School, but “Abba Father”?
No wonder there are fundamentalists who seem angry and hateful; they expect to spend an eternity in Heaven listening to Swedish disco/pop groups…
JMCJ
“John C., it looks like you have blended in very nicely.”
-UncleBeer
[singing] He’s a dancin’ God . . .
Wally may I ask what is the world you are talking about? I do those in my tutorials period! One has been half written out of a book I read that gave a daily scripture!
I am just doing my Christian duty. GG can only confirm his faith by feeling persecuted (I would look up his idiosyncratic spelling, but I don’t care that much).
If we just ignored him, or merely critiqued his composition skills in his sermons, he would not feel he is building up martyr points. As it stands, his crusade is a fairly harmless way to blow off adolescent hormonal imbalance.
One thing I would ask of him:
GG, if God ever tells you that He needs your help to start the Rapture, and it involves firearms or explosives of any kind, please speak with an adult you trust. Unless that adult also believes the Trilateral Commission is a tool of Satan.
Dr. Fidelius, Charlatan
Associate Curator Anomalous Paleontology, Miskatonic University
“You cannot reason a man out of a position he did not reach through reason.”
Tom: Thanks for clearing it up on Andros’ behalf. And I agree with your entire post. I have had many discussions about post, and pre tribulation Rapture with my brothers and sisters in the Lord. (I believe in Pre-trib, and of course have the stuff to back it up)
Not to take the thread further off course…but could you explain to me what Parousia is? And, if Catholics, or Lutherans…etc, do not believe in the Rapture as “an even where we all get swept up in the air simulatenously,” then what do they (you) believe?
“Life is hard…but God is good”
Oh, Adam, Adam. You’re a modernist! You believe in the modern heresy of the Rapture and do not even recognize the Parousia.
Ahh! Woe!
[/smart alec]
The Parousia (literally “presence”) is the fancy Greek word given to the Second Coming of Christ. It is also called the Day of Judgement. Whatever happens at the Return, it does not involve torturing the book of Revelation to be a blueprint for historical events. Revelation was written in the apocalyptic style of Daniel, Ezekiel, the books of Enoch, 2d Baruch, 3d Baruch, 4th (or 2d) Esdras, and several others. It uses vivid imagery to console people at the time it was written to help them deal with persecutions that they were then suffering. Its value to us is not as a forecast of specific, strange events, but as a statement of the overall love that God shows us, even when we are oppressed, with a general proclamation that God will overcome all obstacles in the end.
The people who originally read (or heard preached) the messages in the various apocalyptic texts understood the overall message and understood that it was symbolism used to make a point. (The fact that the symbolism is tied directly to the peoples and times when it was written has confused many later people. Some (the Eastern churches, Martin Luther) have reacted against the style of its writing and have denied or considered denying its Authority. It is only in the last 130 years, as a reaction against Biblical literary criticism, that people overreacted to the messages of apocalyptic literature and attempted to make every passage a literal statement of foretelling rather than prophecy.
I choose to not ignore 1900 years of understanding simply to reinterpret God’s Word, so the Rapture has no place in my understanding of the message of Jesus.
Tom~
Tom: I must say that you have a very…no, extremely different perspective of the book of Revelation than I do. But, the bulk of Scripture regarding the Rapture is found in books other than Rev.
1 Thes. 4:13-18 is a key reference. It talks about being “caught up together…to meet the Lord.” And 1 Cor. 15:51-52 is also strong evidence for a Rapture. It says that “…We will not all sleep…in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet, we will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.”
I suppose I could post more Scripture, but that’s enough to start with. I wonder how you would interpret those passages. It’s food for thought.
Adam
Note, however, that Paul does not say “We will all be caught up, leaving all those other poor shmoes to fend for themselves, here on earth, before Satan’s wrath.”
Paul simply states that when the Lord returns at the end of times, we will be caught up and, regardless of whether we are still living or we have already died, we will be brought to Him in our “imperishable” bodies. (At that point we get to have lots of discussions as to just what that means–although I find the details to be irrelevant).
It is through combining the pastoral (if image-filled) letters of Paul with the apocalyptic vision of John that some people have come to the idea that Paul’s catching people up into the air must occur in the context of the tribulation of Revelation. Yet neither text refers to the other, either seeking support or “cross indexing” events. They were two separate writers with different intents, writing 30 - 40 years apart, that happened to get dragged together (1800 years later) in the minds of people trying to build a wall out of a series of independent columns.
(Why do people who insist that Revelation is a literal forecast of events ignore the statements that occur twice in the first three verses:
and
?)
If the book describes real events, then why did it “lie” about when they would occur? And, how do you justify taking Paul’s words out of context (final judgement) to say that the rapture is going to occur in relation to an event that he was not describing (tribulation)?
Tom~