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You are correct on all of that. I never said those super-high scores are impossible but they are so unlikely that they require some type of evidence, anything, to make them more believable. This is just a message board and neither you nor I can actually affect what an individual person’s real IQ score is. The only way to know for sure is to review their psychologist’s report and that obviously is not going to happen.
My main point is that general skepticism for IQ scores needs to follow the same bell curve that they are based on. It simply gets old hearing the same obviously inflated scores both here and elsewhere on the web. Just like the tests themselves, this criticism does not apply to any one person but to groups as a whole that are reporting average IQ scores that are simply unfeasible. I would be happy if people just learned a little about normal curves and the IQ scores themselves before they start tacking on 10 or 15 points here or there without understanding what they are saying.
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It’s really a simple matter of Bayesian reasoning. Roughly 1 in 30,000 people have an IQ of 160 or higher. What proportion of people (1) tend to exaggerate; and (2) are willing to exaggerate their IQ? I don’t know, but based on my general experience, I would say it’s a lot more than 1 in 30,000. So if you meet a random person who claims to have a 160+ IQ, there’s an excellent chance that they come from the subset of the population that exaggerates their IQ. As opposed to the subset of the population that really does have a 160+ IQ.
I recall reading once about a support group for extremely good looking people. Which makes a little sense, since they no doubt face certain special problems. Still, it would be interesting to see who shows up for meetings.
[QUOTE=brazil84]
I recall reading once about a support group for extremely good looking people. Which makes a little sense, since they no doubt face certain special problems. Still, it would be interesting to see who shows up for meetings.
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[QUOTE=brazil84]
It’s really a simple matter of Bayesian reasoning. Roughly 1 in 30,000 people have an IQ of 160 or higher. What proportion of people (1) tend to exaggerate; and (2) are willing to exaggerate their IQ? I don’t know, but based on my general experience, I would say it’s a lot more than 1 in 30,000. So if you meet a random person who claims to have a 160+ IQ, there’s an excellent chance that they come from the subset of the population that exaggerates their IQ. As opposed to the subset of the population that really does have a 160+ IQ.
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However, if you go to a convention of 40 year old McDonalds counterpeople, the chances of 160+ IQ will be considerably less than 1 in 30k. If you go to an MIT reunion, considerably more. Unless you think that MIT only had one undergrad with a 160+ IQ in the last 30 years, of course.
[QUOTE=Voyager]
However, if you go to a convention of 40 year old McDonalds counterpeople, the chances of 160+ IQ will be considerably less than 1 in 30k. If you go to an MIT reunion, considerably more. Unless you think that MIT only had one undergrad with a 160+ IQ in the last 30 years, of course.
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Don’t the really smart ones usually drop out?
[QUOTE=Voyager]
However, if you go to a convention of 40 year old McDonalds counterpeople, the chances of 160+ IQ will be considerably less than 1 in 30k. If you go to an MIT reunion, considerably more.
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That’s probably true. If we focus on this board, my best guesstimate is that 160+ IQ people are still pretty rare. And exaggerators are pretty common everywhere.
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Don’t the really smart ones usually drop out?
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I wish. I knew someone who double majored in math and physics, and had plenty of time for playing poker. He got all As best I can tell, and is a professor somewhere now. If he didn’t have a 160 IQ, at least, I’ll eat my diploma.
[QUOTE=brazil84]
That’s probably true. If we focus on this board, my best guesstimate is that 160+ IQ people are still pretty rare. And exaggerators are pretty common everywhere.
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Pretty rare, definitely. But see post 238 for an analysis that shows that the Doper population doesn’t look like the normal population. I have no idea what the distribution of IQ is here, but using the distribution of the population as a whole to make predictions about what you’ll find here is fallacious, and as I said above (and I certainly don’t blame you for not reading the whole thread) the number one mistake in doing sampling. It makes the baby Gauss cry.
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Well, I see your point, but does that mean we should never judge people, ever? I should welcome white supremacists and child abusers into my home because it’s not correct for me to judge them for their choices? If I can’t judge someone for having sex before marriage (and in this case, I really don’t care), then where do we draw the line?
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olivesmarch4th, I started a new thread in MPSIMS to continue this discussion since I think we’ve hijacked this one enough.
[QUOTE=askeptic]
Are you really so pathetically ridiculously monumentally stupid that you don’t realize how stupid this makes you sound? The smart people around here stick out like sore thumbs, until now you have not stuck out sweetheart, and it ain’t for being smart. I suspect that you are among to people the OP is directed. Why the fuck would you claim to be smart when it is so fucking apparent whether or not you are? I am sorry you are a fat pathetic loser and I hate to be the one to break the news that you ain’t that smart either, but maybe a little humility will make you more likeable…
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This comment seems like the spittle flying, keyboard pounding, nasty intentioned rantings of a hateful lunatic. I had to check out your other posts to see if you were like this all the time or just having a bad day. You may seriously want to look into anger management therapy or something.
I can’t imagine how exhausting it has to be to sustain such a high level of anger all the time. Fuck IQ, I’d like to see what your EI/EQ is. You took a reasonable comment from another member and went to Defcon 1, asshole edition.
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Hey, gang… let’s see whose penis is the smallest!
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My pinis is pretty small, only 15" long flaccid. I’m kind of ashamed of it.
I think it’s natural to want to brag about the size of your penis. But as time went on, I realized that what really matters is what I do with my penis. Also I’ve realized over time that many people have bigger penises than I do.
I must point out that my penis was measured at 14 inches on the Holmes-Stanford ruler. I thought I was the cock of the walk. Then I met Long Dong Silver, and realized how small I really was, even though I’m constantly complimented on my enormous penis.
I knew someone who double majored in math and physics, and had plenty of time for playing poker. He got all As best I can tell, and is a professor somewhere now. If he didn’t have a 160 IQ, at least, I’ll eat my diploma.
Did I do that somewhere?