He does have pathologic nystagmus, though I am not sure what caused it in his case.
That’s a good question. He’s a bit like Hannibal Lechter, in that he’s supposed to be such a genius psychopath that he could avoid detection all this time, while at the same time cultivating a group of followers (including the FBI agent who was dating Van Pelt) who would do anything for him. Such characters seem unrealistic.
That was a great episode! I so hope the producers really stick to the line that Jane killed Red John. “What does Jane do now?” is so much more interesting than “Psych! Just another minion!”
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Jane’s been walking around with his hands in his coat pockets and making a big deal about hating guns for three years now. It wouldn’t surprise me if the whole thing has been a con on his part - he always carried a gun in his pocket, just waiting, but he wanted people to think that he’d never use one.
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Bradley Whitford deseves his own show.
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Can we please stop hearing about Van Pelt’s love life now? Please?
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What’s in LaRoche’s tupperware?
makes no sense for it to be a minion - a minion wouldn’t have tried to play it off in the beginning or even consider telling jane ‘forgive and forget’ - a minion would have goaded Jane into killing him or arresting him in an attempt to let Red John ‘win’ - and in this case Red John lost the bet.
on (1) above - Janes actions after killing RJ show that he still hated guns - he took the gun out of his pocket with 2 fingers (like you would picking up a dead thing) and put it on the table - very icky like - it had served its purpose.
I think the story only gets better from here - but the season opener will be very interesting - I’m sure all the security footage that Cho and Rigsby were recording will not be helpful in the least - but somehow I think Larouche will help fix it.
on (1) - after killing Red John -
That wasn’t Red John.
Viewers paying attention know who Red John is.
He had his own show, and nobody except me watched it.
Fill us in and tell us why - I’ve watched since day one, and while I’m surprised at this particular choice, the one I thought it was going to be was a little too obvious as well.
Thanks, I was on my iphone then and didn’t feel like trying to search for info. I wonder what’s it’s like to have that going on? I think it would be hard to focus and give you a headache. It probably also gets you typecast as the creepy guy.
I forgot the main thing that causes nystagmus in animals, vestibular disease.
On the Mentalist wiki, there are a few different possibilities put forward. For me, this one makes the most sense.
You’ve given us ideas, not a definitive truth. I think one of the options could still be that Jane shot Red John. Iif that wasn’t Red John, then Red John will have given Jane another devastating mind-fuck, so I’m regretfully leaning towards it wasn’t the real Red John that Patrick shot. How does he live with himself knowing that he got his wife and daughter killed, and now has killed a man who wasn’t exactly innocent, but isn’t Red John? And all the fallout from betraying all his colleagues who he has come to know and love, especially Lisbon…
And me. I enjoyed it.
Red John doesn’t put himself at risk. He is cunning, clever, double bluffs, and has contingencies. He has devotees who willingly sacrifice themselves, and Bradley Whitford was one of them, as was the assassin, and the woman who was poisoned while being taken to her cell in the His Red Right Hand episode.
I also read somewhere the idea that the necklace that O’Laughlin gave to Van Pelt was a listening device, so the real Red John knew what was going on all along and had planned three steps ahead.
The whole scene with Jane and the fake Red John was a test to see if he’d actually go through with killing, and also to throw everyone off Red John’s scent for a while. Jane is going to go through a period of relief for a while, until probably halfway through Season 4 when Red John will strike again.
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My son has it and suffers no obvious effects from it. He was born with it, as well as strabismus, and the pediatric opthamologists have assured us that the brain develops to compensate for the condition.
He’s only just turned four, so I can’t speak with absolute certainty about how he perceives the world as he’s incapable of effectively verbalizing it, but he reads and writes without a problem, has no issues with depth perception or any other obvious signs of being negatively affected by it, and never complains of headaches. The only physical sign I notice, aside from the obvious shaking, is that he turns his head sometimes to look sort of sideways to find what the doctors call a “null point”, an angle at which the shaking is minimized and, presumably, vision is clearest.
Surgery is a possibility, though I can only speak in his case and not for others who have/had the condition, but would really just be cosmetic as all it does is attempt to move the null point to be straight ahead rather than off to the side. It’s generally something they prefer to do earlier in life for congenital cases because after a certain point it’s counter-productive as the brain has already adjusted and would have to relearn how to interpret visual input.
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I disagree with that one - as for ‘this’ guy being Red John - simWife remembers him being the one in the corridor that gave the woman the poison - of course, this means I have to go back and re-watch to confirm.
While in general, I agree that RedJohn would generally not put himself in danger, he also thinks he is always in control, he thought he had full control of Jane and never expected what happened there - as others have said, Jane’s very public ‘dislike’ of guns, being in the mall, etc -
What I expect at some point next season will be another RJ type killing, that will cause folks to question it - but that, IMHO, will be just that - a copycat set up ahead of time by RJ to screw with Jane one more time in this eventuallity - to actually have ‘the’ RJ survive past this episode means the writers are truly out of ideas on what to do with the char.
I also do not think RJ would have shared the very intimate details of the wife/daughter smells with a minion, and the minion would have had too much pause to recall the speech and to get it out - while RJ is/was a master manipulator - Jane is the master reader of stuff like this and would not have killed a minion that he could then track back.
And yes, the necklace was not a listening device - I had expected the boyfriend to show up at the cabin un-announced with a "Jane told me where to find you’ type speech that would allow VanPelt to realize what was happening - after all, if it was a listening device, RJ knew exactly where Hytower was and didnt need to sacrifice the redheaded jumper.
Once Van Pelt’s fiance was revealed to be one of the suspects, I didn’t see how it could be anybody else. Clearly, the eventual goal of the show is to reunite Van Pelt and Rigsby, and making the fiance a bad guy was just too convenient a way to resolve that obstacle and put them back on the path. Now the question is whether Hightower will still enforce regulations or give them a pass for helping save her life.
Wait…I thought that was Shawn Spencer?
I think Jane killed the man who killed his family. There may be doubts raised about it, but in the end I think that is what happened. Jane himself was convinced and he is a much better judge than we are.
I also think there will be further apparent Red John murders. Either there was more than one person calling themselves Red John, or there will be a new Red John to replace the old one, or there was someone behind Red John from the beginning (I still think the “Visualize” cult has to be involved somehow).
Unless, of course, more than one of the suspects was actually a mole.
In that case, when they reported to RJ, he would immediately understand the trap, and might decide to use the jumper to clear the more valuable mole of suspicion, at the cost of the less valuable one.
If so, Bertram must be the other mole (or RJ himself), because they would have only known for sure about 2 trap rooms, and the jumper went to Bertram’s room first.
Bertram certainly acted moleish for sure - or atleast the writers/director wanted us to think so - nervous talking, wanting the hytower case out of the media and ‘closing’ the bombing thing without looking into the list of customers - etc - and making a call directly after Jane set up the 2 oclock mall apointment.
Which does beg the question about how RJ knew to be at the mall at that time and where. Unless that info was also mentioned in the presence of VanPelt and the necklace.
Good point.
As for Jane reading the Red John he killed, if there was ever a time when Jane’s readings would have been off due to extremely high emotions, that would be it.
Just watched it and hoooo boy.
I don’t exactly know what to think about it because while I understand the catharsis that Jane (and we) feel about killing RJ, I don’t see how the series could be interesting without the RJ element to it.
Supposing that Jane did kill RJ, and he will be in the series no longer…what do the writers have to fill in the cross-season plot line? Will the Mentalist just turn into a murder of the week then?
Perhaps you’re right. But if it turns out that this isn’t the real Red John, that stretches the bounds of believability way too far. I mean, I’m willing to accept the supergenius villain, but the whole long list of willing accomplices is kind of ridiculous.
(Although the episode write-up in the IMDB website noted that he used an artificially high voice when Lisbon called him. Since he was expecting the call to come from O’Laughlin, so perhaps he was pretending to be a woman when communicating with O’Laughlin?)