The messy / tidy / in-between continuum -- thoughts?

I feel uncomfortably, that I am probably one of the greatest slobs / messy / untidy / disorganised livers-of-life, in history. I’m male – have never married, and have lived essentially alone, in various contexts / circumstances, for most of my life (which mode of living, I find suits me).

It would seem that I’m one of the relatively few humans, from whose make-up the “householder / homemaker” gene was completely omitted. I couldn’t care less about living in a spick-and-span home; especially, with having at bottom, only myself to please (people rarely visit me; when they do, I – depending on circumstances – do a “pseudo-tidy-up”; or know that they don’t have a problem with my messy ways). Find that I have a great deal of more interesting stuff to do, than anything involving any kind of housekeeping.

I basically just put / leave things in my dwelling, wherever they land up. I find that this has a downside, in that often when I want a particular item – I can’t find it: have either buried it under other stuff, or put it heaven-knows-where. This is quite often, annoying and frustrating, and can need irritating work-arounds. For me personally, though – I mostly find the alternative, worse. I utterly hate housework / tidying-up / putting-away. I get incensed over doing such stuff.

The picture is got, that this is a deep-seated human thing – partaking in “original sin”, should that be part of one’s world-view. If there’s one thing that little kids hate and loathe, it’s having to put away the stuff that they’ve been enjoying playing with. For many people: they need to be trained from infancy, into nevertheless doing the (however deeply hated) putting-away thing. The maxim “a place for everything, and everything in its place” – the good sense in which, I can thoroughly “see with my head” – is often, one gathers, drilled into small children by their parents or other caregivers, from a very young age: it doesn’t come naturally. (As will be obvious, I wasn’t drilled in it as a kid.) The more-tidy end of this way of doing things – as said, intellectually I can see how it makes sense; but my gut tells me, “this endless futile dance of put-it-away-take-it-out-again-immidiately-put-it-away-again-take-it-out-again – AAAUUUGHHH !!! it makes me want to yell and scream and commit physical violence on myself”.

There plainly are people who get an actual positive “buzz” out of having things neat and tidy. My brother – between whom and myself, there are mutually very affectionate relations – is one such. As regards the “neatnik / slob” divide, though – he and I are, I think, even further apart than the two guys in the film The Odd Couple. It might come about that at some time in the future, he and I could be sharing accommodation – which would basically be his; I am on notice from him that in this situation, it would be “his place, his rules”. Should that situation come about – I see my needing to check myself into a brainwashing facility in North Korea, for a spell whose purpose would be making me over into “tidy”.

Would be interested to hear anyone’s thoughts on this matter – from those toward the “neatnik”, or “slob”, ends, or anywhere in between.

Why do you think you and your brother turned out so differently?

Heaven only knows. He was for long, a hippy-ish “free spirit” in ways in which I, overall, never was. (He still is, in some respects.) I feel forced to the not-very-profound conclusion: “humans are random, and strange”.

I’m with you. I find tidying up, cleaning and laundering boring and annoying at best. I like having a clean house, and when I was doing well financially I really enjoyed having someone come in twice a month, but I don’t enjoy it enough to do it myself. When left to my own devices, my house isn’t filthy and piled high with stuff, but it’s certainly not spic and span, either.

If you truly “couldn’t care less about living in a spic-and-span home,” why do you “feel uncomfortably” about being “one of the greatest slobs in history?”

I think the best way to adapt to your brother’s housekeeping standards would be to get rid of as many possessions as possible during the move. It’s impossible to clean around clutter and dropping things wherever they land will sabotage your brother’s efforts and he’ll probably throw you and your junk out.

Maybe try compartmentalizing your home, packing up items with sentimental value which you would like to keep and clearing the rest to some out of the way place. Anything you dig out and use, find a proper place for it in a cupboard or drawer. Everything else, get rid of it without giving yourself the chance to say “oh, but I used that once! I might need it again!”

A great deal of the whole thing is – as per my OP – “head versus gut”. My bolded above – I very much see the good sense in what you’re saying. A poster on another board which I frequent, has as her signature: “After cleaning out my Dad’s house, I have this advice: If you haven’t used it in a year, throw it out !!!”. I can see what excellent sense you, and she, make here; but emotionally, I’m pulled in the other direction.

To answer the OP, I seriously doubt your house is as messy as my apartment. It’s so messy that I’m afraid I might get evicted by apartment management, so I always do a frenzied clean-up before maintenance or management arrives.

This is really stupid. I have tons of stuff that I use much less than once a year.

My husband and I are pretty tidy folks naturally, and since we’ve been trying to sell the house we clean near-constantly. It’s been nice to have such sparkling surroundings, but I look forward to NOT having to make the bed anymore.

A funny thing I’ve noticed is that my husband cleans ANGRY. You can watch him clean and tell he’s thinking, *What’s with this dirt? Goddamn it, who put this here?

*I like cleaning (to a point) and will contentedly do it for hours, but after a while I get too focused on minutiae and become depressed…*Why are these baseboards behind the washing machine so dirty? They will never be truly clean, never!
*

There goes my fire extinguisher!!

Me too :o

My wife wanted to buy an elaborate shelving system to “clean up the garage.” Understanding intellectually that the solution to “every horizontal surface we have is covered with junk” is not more horizontal surfaces, I looked at boxes I packed full of “treasures” 10 years ago and loaded them into her car unopened and sent her to goodwill. I can’t find my copy of God’s Debris but otherwise I couldn’t name a single item in those boxes and I don’t get nagged about how hot her car gets parked outside in the sun. If I ever want to read my one missing book again I’ll replace it.

If you haven’t at least checked the pressure on it in the last year, then you should get rid of it. It’ll be nothing more than a distraction in a fire after sitting around long enough. :slight_smile:

I lived in my last house for 25 years or so.

To an outsider, it was a mess - every horizontal surface was pretty much completely covered. When I moved, I took the change from the dresser to one of those CoinStar machines. $58.xx in quarters, dimes, and nickles. I started throwing out pennies in 1985 or so.
The thing was - I could pick up any thing I wanted - every item had its “place”, and I knew each place.

As to cleaning: You can spend your life cleaning the place; It’s just going to get dirty again.
Nobody is on record (as far as I know) as, while actively dying, expressed regret for not having done more to keep the house clean.
It is all a matter of priorities.

My joint is messy; but unfortunately I don’t have the knack of “a place for everything, and everything in its place” !

I have relatives – better housekeepers than me, but sensible about the whole thing – who would seem to be on the same page as you there. They have in their kitchen a little plaque which reads: “A tidy kitchen is the sign of a wasted life”.