If you want to know what I’m referencing,here is one video. (There are others, from multiple angles) If you are delicate and might be deeply disturbed by the sight of an unconscious or dead man whose neck is broken and who being pushed around mindlessly by idiots, don’t watch.
Excuse me, but what sort of Idiots-R-Us planet are you from that you do not realize that this man is either already dead or so gravely injured that death is an imminent possibility and he is in desperate need of immediate attention?
It would be one thing if he had collapsed to the floor in a corner out of the way and no one gave him any attention at all…which would still suck pretty hard but would be a whole bunch more understandable… but what degree of mentally challenged can you be to be able to walk and talk and yet believe it was a good idea to*** grab him by the head to shake him around? ****** Are you out of your goddamn minds?***
Then the topper: oh, this man is unconscious (dead), let’s shove him onto a piece of plywood and get him out of the way… Neck braces? Stabilizing his spine? Why would we bother to do that?
The stupidity is nauseating.
Just because your “sport” is choreographed bullshit doesn’t mean it isn’t actually dangerous, fucktards. Any activity that involves throwing people around, whether it’s wrestling or ballet, is genuinely dangerous. And unless you had all agreed in advance that Aguayo was going to fake having his neck broken, you have no fucking excuse for your gross negligence and stunning stupidity and I hope like hell they follow up on the manslaughter investigation hold some of you assholes responsible for treating him with callous disregard that almost certainly contributed to his death.
Firstly, from what I’ve read, Perrito was almost certainly beyond saving (or perhaps already dead) the instant his throat hit the ropes, so however brusquely they treated him afterward didn’t really make a difference. There had already been a spinal injury earlier in the show and he was on the one stretcher the venue had, which was why they carried him out on plywood? (Should they have had more stretchers? Probably, but WWE doesn’t even come that prepared, let alone indie promotions in Tijuana.)
Secondly, the position he fell into on the ring apron was exactly the position he was supposed to be in to take Rey’s finisher, so it doesn’t surprise me that they didn’t realize right away that he was hurt, let alone conclude "serious neck injury.)
Thirdly, none of these men are idiots. They all know how dangerous wrestling can be, and they all know you’re ultimately responsible for protecting yourself in the ring. Perrito botched the bump leading into the superkick and ran at Rey faster than he should have, and that lead to tragedy. I’m not saying it was Perrito’s fault - it wasn’t, and it wasn’t Rey’s, or Konnan’s, or the promoter’s. It was a tragic accident and I’m sure everyone involved is tearing themselves up over it.
Your interpretation of the events is very far from reality. Nobody had any indication that Aguayo was about to die. He collapsed on the ropes very much in the way that was intended, and there was no reason to suspect he was dead. This was a tragic accident and any bumbling after his death really doesn’t matter.
I worked for an independent pro wres promotion in the late 90s and can tell you this is about as “Dale Earnhardt” as a death you will ever see in a wrestling ring----its hard to believe a man could die off such a routine move in a sport where the performers make neck-breaking daredevil moves one after another, but it happened.
So I can’t fault those at ringside for thinking it was either part of the act (though, clearly the wrestlers knew right away it wasn’t because lucha libre is highly scripted and they could see PAJr wasn’t moving when he should have been) and secondly, not being medical professionals, not know how to react when it clearly was not, and doing the best they could to find help.
I was managing a wrestler when he stopped moving in the ring and was hanging over the ropes and I went up to him at ringside and asked legit if he was OK and if I could get help. He didn’t respond, then about a minute later he body slammed his opponent----it was not in in the original run through we did in the dressing room, which was changed in ring about twice during the match by the wrestlers without letting me in on it, so I had no idea if he was hurt or not.
So I get your outrage, but consider the circumstances, and prayers for the family of Perro Aguayo Jr and his legendary father.:(:(
Im also seeing there is a lot of heat on Konnan, the bald headed guy (and very famous Mexican wrestler) who shakes Agmayos’s body and then pulls him off the ropes.
Like anyone who is not a medical professional would do to see if another human being is alive or not. He then immediately calls for help.
I would suspect they shook him because they weren’t sure if he was concussed or had lost consciousness, but certainly were not expecting that he was out and out dead.
From PWinsider: More details regarding Perrito came out last night as Dr. Ernesto Franco said that Perrito still had vital signs as he left the ring and went to the hospital but officially died of cardiac arrest due to his cervical spine trauma but there will be an autopsy ordered by the local government with the standard drug testing as part of the equation.
As much as I feel there is fault and blame to be laid here, I don’t think it’s on Rey Mysterio, and that’s unfortunately where the investigation seems to be pointed. It was clearly an accident - my beef remains with the insane behavior following.
My understanding of the word “immediately” is quite different than the person who wrote this for the wrestling news:
Those were two action packed minutes that render the world “immediately” bullshit. Agonizingly long minutes during which he was stared at, examined by the referee and one wrestler before the wrestling continued, and of course, shaken by the head and shoved off the ropes. Only after all that did anyone “attend” to him in anything resembling a concerned and rational manner.
And running coach has it exactly right. Until pronounced dead after a proper examination, the people shoving him off the ropes and grabbing him by the head were “bumbling” in a pretty horrifically irresponsible fashion. I wonder if their actions would be so casually dismissed as mere bumbling if he had lived but as a quadriplegic? Somehow I doubt it.
Would it ever in a million years have occurred to you to grasp him by the head and shake him? If so, you have no business being in that position. I daresay a child would know better.
Yes, but your problem is with the reporter there, or perhaps medical personnel who should have acted sooner. Your thread title specified wrestlers and wrestling officials. The ring doctor might be considered a wrestling official but he was treating another injured wrestler.
They did not know his condition and suspected a concussion. Under the conditions they were likely to bumble a little, but I would agree that everything should have stopped as quickly as possible as soon as it was clear Aquayo was non-responsive, but I don’t think they were being exceedingly careless either, it is a dangerous situation where the vast majority of injuries are far less critical. The wrestlers are aware that their game of faking injuries makes them susceptible to having actual injuries exacerbated. This was just an accident, day in and day out wrestlers are injured, this time there was freak injury that resulted in the tragic death of a wrestler.
Since it is a dangerous sport I find it hard to believe that they have no one besides the team doctor (who was busy) that knew even any basic first aid. Even people with very basic first aid knowledge know that if a person has been injured and is not responsive you don’t move them unless you have to get them to a safe position. (Such as away from a burning car at the scene of an accident. )
They seemed even unnecessarily rough while getting him off the ropes, let alone grabbing his head and neck and jerking him around afterwards. I never saw anyone check for a pulse. The airway they placed wouldn’t do a thing unless he was making efforts to breath. He did not appear to be doing so but it was hard to tell on that video.
There were no professionals available to take over care. The on-duty physician was treating two other injuries in the back. If you want to pit somebody, pit AAA for not having more than one doctor available at its events.
This wasn’t an AAA event - it was sponsored by an indie promotion called CRASH. That they had a doctor on hand at all is surprising - I don’t know the ins and outs of how wrestling is regulated in Mexico, but in the US only a handful of states require promotions to have a doctor on hand, and outside of WWE and its “bigger” competitors there’s not necessarily going to be one outside those states. (My state is one of the few that requires it, and as such, WWE only does one or two shows here a year and the indie scene is nonexistent.)
Thank you for the clarification. And you raise a good point about the US indie promotions.
Frankly, I think this points to one of wrestling’s biggest problems: because nobody other than the fans take it seriously, nobody bothers to regulate it. “It’s all fake! Why do they need doctors?” I’ve often heard that even in the states where athletic commissions do regulate pro wrestling they’re basically a joke.
One of the reasons WWE switched their theme to ‘sports entertainment’ was to escape state athletic commission regulations. They do keep medical personnel on hand, but on their own terms.
