The Most Worthless Home Repair Folks Ever

I’m going to post a couple of tales. Feel free to add your own.

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Exhibit 1 is a male, about age 40, very heavyset and mustachioed, looking pretty much like a “contractor” ought to look. For the purpose of this story, I will call him “Dave.”

We observe him as he enters the house and is told that I wish to have a flight of stairs built to connect the second finished story with the third unfinished story. At hearing this Dave wrinkles his brow and starts to look concerned, as if I’ve just asked him to compute up a few Eigenvectors, or perhaps whip up a quick 5-course Cordon Bleu-quality meal for lunch. Dave says that in all his 20 years of working as a carpenter, he has never, ever even contemplated building a flight of stairs to connect two stories of a house.

“But”, I say, “your advertisement says you specialize in stairs?”

“Yes…mostly railings and trim.”

“O…K, when I spoke with you on the phone, and told you that in fact I needed a flight of stairs built, that wasn’t a warning to you? That somehow a flight of stairs did not consist of just a railing hanging Escher-like in space with two pieces of trim alongside, but actual stairs that people can stand upon?”

“Well…let me see what we have here. Do you have a tape measure I can borrow?”

Now I know what you’re thinking - a carpenter without a tape measure. That that was the point at which I should have taken my Glock out of my purse and escorted him to the door. And upon reflection that would have yielded a better result in the end, true. However, at this point I figured that I had already missed work, and he was there, so I’d give him a chance. I handed him a tape measure, and he looked at it as if I’d handed him a Rubik’s Cube. Then he went about leaning and staring at the space I wanted the stairs in, the tape measure totally forgotten.

“Um…is there any structure behind this wall?”

“You mean, like…the wall?”

“Yeah. Is there anything I should know about behind this?”

“Well gosh, I don’t know, I left my wall-penetrating radar at work, I thought you would, you know, go up in the attic and take a look?”

“Um…no, I don’t want to do that.”

“Why not?”

“Because it’s hard.”

“I…see.” At this point I start to notice that Dave is probably a serious trencherman, as he appears to wear about a 55-inch belt. Thinking to the small access hole into the attic at the current time, I quickly foresaw that the solution to Dave + Attic Hole = Paramedics.

“Well, there is a furnace duct not too far away, and some plumbing about here, and a giant piece of composite wood about 2 feet high by 4 inches thick that could be structural unless the builders were just bored and wanted to see how high they could stack 2 by 4’s, but you’ll be able to clear that, right?”

“Hmmm.”

Dave then starts to thump on the wall, around in circles. This goes on for a minute and accomplishes nothing whatsoever. He hands me back the still-virgin tape measure, and says “Um, about $1000.”

“That’s it? About $1000?”

“Yup.”

“How many steps will there be?”

“Don’t know.”

“Um…O…K, how will the steps be put together?”

“You know, like normal.”

“Well, I want them glued, screwed, counter-bored, and filled with plugs, and sanded to be finished.”

“You want what?”

I repeated.

“Why?”

“Oh, I don’t know, with so many things going strange in this topsy-turvey world we live in, I decided I wanted stairs that were done right.”

“Oh they’ll be done right.”

“Will they be done like I want?”

“Why do you want that?”

“SO THE STAIRS WILL BE SOLID AND NOT SQUEAK.”

“Oh don’t worry, they won’t.”

“Why, because you’re going to glue and screw them?”

“I don’t know. I don’t usually do that.”

“Why not?”

“Well it costs extra.”

“Fine, tell me how much.”

“I don’t know…you don’t want to do that, really.”

“WHY NOT?”

“It’ll be fine, trust me. I know what I’m doing. I’ve been in the business.”

“But you said you’d never built stairs like this before.”

“Well, they’re stairs, you know. Not that hard. Standard stuff.”

“Right…tell me about the stringers and risers?”

“Risers?”

“Yes, most stairs have them - see, like these right here (pointing to the flight nearby from the 1st story).”

“Oh, I wasn’t going to use any.”

“W-hy not? Aren’t they required by code?” (they are, FTR)

“You don’t need them. Besides”, he says, wiping his brow (it’s 75F in my house and the man is already sweating like a proverbial pig), “when we work on finishing the upper floor we’ll trash the stairs.”

“I’m sorry, I must have had a mild stroke. Why would you trash the stairs you just built?”

“Because they always get trashed when you work on things.”

“I…see. And the stairs leading up to this story, I can expect them to be ‘trashed’ as well?”

“No, we’ll protect those.”

“Then why for heaven’s sake won’t you protect the new stairs you’ll build?”

“Because they’ll be temporary.”

“WHY?”

“Because they’ll just get trashed. Don’t worry, the second time we do it, it’ll be for good.”

I quickly see that I’ve stumbled into a game of “who’s on first”, and drop it there, as if he can’t figure it out by now, he never will. And at this point I’ve pretty much decided he’s a loss and so it really doesn’t matter what he says. However, I tempt fate by asking another question, one which I know the answer to already:

“And your people, you have insurance coverage? Worker’s comp?”

“Oh yeah, got all that.”

“And you’ll show me the certificate of insurance?”

“Well, my insurance company says I can’t. It’s pro-prie-tary.”

“What? An insurer who won’t admit to insuring someone? Isn’t that sort of, well, illegal?”

“Not so far.”

At this point I usher Dave out of the house, with him swearing on a stack of New Testaments that he will be sending me a formal quote “tomorrow.” (FTR, it took 4 weeks) I then our a large glass of pinot noir, collapse into a chair, and think about tweaking fate by calling the next person on my list of potential contractors.

In Soviet home repair, Dave says “I can’t do that, you.”

Well if I can include the guy who owned our home before us, I can post for days. The worst example of this guy is probably the roof. He decided to re-shingle it himself. He bought halfway decent shingles but didn’t research how to lay them. Apparently someone told him he didn’t need to lay down weatherstripping or starter strip, he could just turn the first layer of shingles around. He thought that meant with the wrong side facing up so that the side supposed to be touching the roof is now facing up. So that is what he did. You could look down and see exposed roof at the edge. We had snow and ice coming down into the soffits and freezing in there, water damage under the soffits and even melting ice coming down inside the windows in the winter. The gutters and downspouts, soffits, all had to be redone too because they just weren’t done right (not enough downspouts, soffits not vented properly, etc. He had laid insulation over the soffit vents.)

So we had to scrape off nearly new shingles so we could start completely over. What a waste.

Another day, I can tell you about his tiling work.

Wow. That’s…I can only say “Dave’s not here, man.”

You know, I think you’d be justified in releasing the hounds if Dave ever comes within 2 miles of your home again. His presence would likely cause the construction to spontaneously decompose.

After that I can’t wait for exhibit number 2.

Yep. Is there some sort of contracting overseer in your city? I do feel that you should report “Dave” to some authority. The guy is clearly dangerous, and especially so to potential customers who don’t know as much about stairs and their construction as you do.

My city operates on sort of a hands-off approach to contractors. As long as there are no fatalities and building permits are paid for, it’s all good to them.

We had Lloyd come over to give us a quote on impact resistant windows. He was:

  • thirty minutes late (this was his first appt of the morning)

  • requested when he arrived (late) that he immediately leave to get to another appt that he got mixed up on the calendar

  • insisted that my wife be there (she was 10 mins away at the store). Said it was necessary as it was “company policy” that both people there for the quote process as “design choices” had to be made. I assured him that we already had several quotes and looked at various options and that I was quite aware of what we wanted. He would not start measuring until I called her home

  • sloppily jotted everything down on a single scrap of paper that he had with him. Miscounted the windows in the house

  • insisted that his business was BBB accredited, asked that I look it up right there on my laptop. They were accredited, as of last month. Noticed that there was another business at the same address with the same owner that had 48 complaints. He would not discuss those.

  • asked me to carry out his bags

  • insisted that his company was the sole distributor of the product we were looking at in the area (they are not).

The other 5 quotes we got were top-notch. I can’t believe the variation in cost though…this is like buying a used car.

I cannot believe this. I’m not doubting you, I just can’t believe that any modern city would work this way. Is there an Angie’s List in your city, at least? They do require payment, but I think it would be worth it to avoid any future Daves.

Funny story, but you’ve got way more patience than I do. You can usually tell in about 30 seconds if the guy has a clue or not, and if he’s a complete buffoon like this character obviously was I give him the “fine, terrific, we’ll call you” routine and hustle him out the door.

Well, they take seriously actual contractor mistakes on site, but they aren’t as concerned about estimation issues and such.

I may have more patience, but it may be that I’m filled with the milk of human kindness, and want to give people a chance…it’s difficult to keep a straight face while typing that. Let me share something I wrote up once about an actual project.

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I had only been waiting, sitting in a booth of diamond-checked vinyl at the local Chinese buffet, for a few minutes until my friend Theo walked in. If “walked” is the proper term for it – it was sort of a half-drag, half walk. He looked like a dog who has been hit with one shoe thrown at him from across the room, and which is soon expecting another. We made some pleasantries and went up to get our first course – hot and sour soup and wontons. Thinking of making some small talk to cheer him up, I asked about the status of his home improvement work he had been so eagerly diving into.

“Oh Una, you don’t want to know.”

Well of course I did want to know, as I was kind of running on empty in terms of viable small-talk, so I asked again.

“Well, first off, you know I’ve been trying to get my vinyl siding replaced - ”

“This is the siding which was recalled for being too toxic, or something?”

“Yeah. Cancer-causing or something. Well, I finally got it done, in a way.”

“In what way?”

“In a fucking fuckity fucked up way.”

“Ah” I said, and looked longingly to the buffet for the twice-cooked pork.

“The first problem was removing the siding. Apparently, the only tool you really need is a hammer – just dig in the claw-end and let ‘er rip.”

“Really. That sounds intense.”

“Intensely fucking destructive. I think they took half the wood that was under the shingles off while doing that.”

“I’ll bet that was loud.”

“And they dumped all the pieces of old siding, broken wood, and nails on the ground. They didn’t really try to clean it all up, but I guess they tried to try. I’ll probably be shooting nails out of my lawnmower and skewering the neighbor’s kids for years to come.”

“Well, it’s an excuse to mow less. You really do cut your lawn too short. And they replaced everything that was damaged, right?”

Theo gave me a baleful look over his soup.

“Never mind. But they did put on new siding, right? Like they were supposed to? New, non-PCB-laden, non-carcinogenic siding?”

“Oh, Una, the pain. It only grows.”

“Look, let’s get some of the main course, and then you can tell me more.”

A few minutes later, returning with plates laden with General Tso’s and Sesame Chicken, I urged Theo to continue.

“Well, Una…I’ve learned a lot in this home siding process.”

“Example?”

“OK…we’re you aware that siding people do not have saws?”

“You mean, as in to cut things?”

“Precisely. They have this tool mounted on the back of the 1960’s-era Ford pickup they use as a so-called work truck, but no saws.”

“Um…OK, what’s the ramifications?”

“Well, the ramifications, as you put it, is that siding works really well in nice, long strips. Until you get to these things called windows. Then all hell breaks loose.”

“What sort of hell?”

“Well, if a piece of siding hits the edge of a window, they use tin snips and cut it. So you have a razor-sharp jagged edge that kind of sticks out into the space in front of the window.”

“Does it block your view?”

“Partly. I mean, yeah. But the main problem is that if you were to be so stupid as to open a window and put your arm outside, you might very well bleed to death shredding it on the vinyl edges.”

“I assume you can trim that up for them?”

“You mean do their fucking job? Yeah, I’m used to that. But that’s not the main problem. When the siding along the bottom and top edges doesn’t line up nicely with the bottom and top edges of the windows, do you know what happens?”

“I’m dying to hear.”

“Well, one guy takes a large hammer and a piece of 2 by 4 as a dowel, and pounds your fucking window into the house so it’s flush with the outside.

“What the hell?”

“Yes, they pound around the edge of the frame, bashing the window in until it’s flush with the outside, so they don’t have to do detailed trim work. Amazing, really.”

“Um…I don’t think…”

“And what’s best, Una” he said, spearing a fried shrimp with gusto, “is that when they pound the windows in like that, it rips them free of the drywall inside, and breaks out huge chunks of it that fall on the floor and leave holes to the outside. Oh, and by the way, I found out that the contractor of my cheap-ass spec home didn’t bother to put insulation in my bedroom walls…no wonder it’s so fucking cold all the time in there.”

“Did they break any glass?”

In answer to what I thought was a legitimate question, Theo looked at me with total disbelief. “No, they broke my fucking walls. I would have been happy if it had only been glass. Who gives a shit about glass when there are walls to break?”

“Didn’t you complain to the siders who were on-site working?”

“Sure I did. And guess what - they all speak Portuguese, and nothing else. Actually, I heard one of them speaking English on his cell phone, but when I went over to yell at him about why my windows were erupting into my bedroom, he shrugged his shoulders and said something I couldn’t understand. So I grabbed him and took him inside and showed him the broken drywall, and he smiled and shook my hand! As if he was saying ‘congratulations – that was exactly the effect we were trying for!’ ”

“Holy crap, what are you going to do?”

“Well, I got out expanding foam and filled the holes I could so cicadas would stop flying into my house. Some pieces of drywall I can hold on with duct tape. And while I was doing that I was trying to call the fucking contractor.”

“And this resulted in…”

“It resulted in him saying he’s deeply concerned, and will try to come out to see what the fuss is sometime next week or maybe a week later. He’s not sure, he’s sort of busy this time of year. Plus his kid has this thing he has to go to in another country.”

“Um…wow.”

“Yeah, wow. You know, I really was happier living with the cancer-causing siding.”

“All things considered, Theo, yeah.”

“And you know, Una, with genetic medications and stuff, I mean, there’s probably going to be a cure soon, right?”

“For cancer, yes. For bad contractors, no.”

They might want to know that he’s misrepresenting their building code. Or that his comments on insurance leads you to suspect that he may not have any.

Or they might not know where to file the comments.

I needed a new furnace to replace the 23 year-old one that came with the house.
I talked extensively with my brother’s friend who lived a few states away who installs them for a living so he could educate me on what I needed.

First guy comes to give an estimate.
Looks at what’s there.
“I can put in a new one for $4k.”
That was the extent of his estimate. Getting any other info out him was like pulling teeth.
“Well, what brand is it?”
“What brand do you want?”
“What brands do you carry?”
“All the major ones.”
“O…K… what ones would those be?”
He rattles off a few names.
“And which brand were you quoting me for?”
“Which one do you want?”
sigh… “How about Carrier?”
“Oh, those are more.”
“yeah, yeah, okay. How about it’s efficiency rating?”
“Oh, they’re all better than what you have here.”
“Yeah, I figured that, but aren’t some better than others?”
“They’re all good.”
seeing this is going nowhere… “Allllllrighty then. $4K. I’ll let you know.”

Second guy I called looked at what I had, sat at my kitchen table, educated me about brands, efficiency, features, what was worth the extra cost in his opinion, what wasn’t worth the extra (which matched what my bros friend said), and gave me quotes for several ways I could go, and in addition noticed that whoever hooked up the hot water heater f’d it up and offered to fix it for no additional cost.
I really didn’t care what the price would be from that point and simply went with this guy.

Sigh.

This would have made more sense if it had slotted in where I was expecting it. It’s about that Dave guy. I did preview, I just didn’t preview successfully.

Oh, window guys, how I hate thee all!

Worst of all was the guy I called based on a radio ad. He, like others, insisted that both spouses be present. I should lie and tell them I’m a widow. Anyway, he was almost half an hour late, and we had places to go that afternoon - we were about to leave when he showed up.

He went thru this hideous routine, including such inane questions as “Well, you do want to save money, don’t you?” He was at a loss when my husband asked him some specific engineering questions, and his explanations about the structure of the frames were bogus. I walked him from room to room so he could get his measurements, and while my husband and I played with the sample (it was a really good design and a nice window) the sales idiot calculated the price.

Then he said (no I’m not kidding about this) “Guess how much it is?” Yeah, I want to play guessing games with some sales geek.

For 7 windows, something over $12K. (I’d guessed $11K) But if we’d order right then and there, he’d discount it. He wouldn’t tell us by how much till we agreed to buy. At that point, we told him we had places to go, and he got all huffy, insisting he’d been promised 90 minutes. Yeah, right.

As I let him out the front door, he departed, saying “Thanks for being serious.”

I wrote a very specific letter to the company recounting the experience. Never heard a word back. Warned several coworkers against calling them. And we still don’t have replacement windows. Maybe next spring…

I came home from work and noticed one of the contractors had a pair of shoes just like mine (Salomon light hiking shoes). I said, “I have a pair just like those.” He said, “these are yours, I didn’t want to get paint on my shoes.”

Well, as long as he had a good reason.

And my friend the contractor gets all huffy when people treat him as if he were trying to rip them off. He just doesn’t understand, does he?

:eek:

Mine is pretty bland compared to the rest, but seeing as I’m trying to cook some rice. I guess I have a few minutes.

About a day or two after we moved into our house, our garage door opener stopped working. I got out my test equipment and after some troubleshooting, found whatever idiot wired up the outlet for it, wired it into the front porch lights. Umm kay, I guess we’ll leave those lights on all the time now. The thing is, the only always live power that came into the garage was fed from a switch (to the garage light) that for fire code reasons was behind drywall. The ceiling for about 4 feet into the garage is also drywalled. The means that getting a wire to that switch would involve alot of work. It was a perfect job to do someday. Fast foward to about two weeks ago. I moved a fridge from it’s current location in the garage (against said drywall on a live outlet) to a different area. Hmmm, outlet doesn’t work. What the hell. Get out the test equipment and find that that outlet as well as the others in the garage are wired to the garage light…what does that mean? It means that the only time the outlets work are when the garage light is on. Why the hell would someone do that? Okay, so the garage light and the garage door opener are about two feet apart. I figure I’ll just take the wire that goes from the outlet to the light and move it to the box that the garage door opener is wired into. No big deal. As long as I keep my porch lights on to keep the garage door opener functional, I might as well hook the outlets to it. When I opened the box that the light was on (the one controlled from the switch) I found something. The wire coming from the switch had two hots and a neutral. The second hot was capped off and not live. That’s strange, but it sure as hell made my day. I opened up the switch and sure enough, the other end of the unused wire, right there. I wired it in, a little more wiring up on top and now my whole garage is ‘hot’ and I don’t have to have my garage light or porch lights on anymore. I’ve had my porch lights on 24 hours a day for three years cuz some electrician must have been in a hurry and didn’t say “hmmm this can’t be right.”

Meh.

-1 for Angie’s List.

We called a bunch of contractors to do new windows, both from Angie’s list and off. The AL contractors were all at least 50% higher than the quotes from non-AL contractors. One of them told us it would be $20k for the job without so much as measuring a window (“I’ve been doing this for a long time”).

Oh yeah, and the closest contractor we found from them was 18 miles away. He didn’t want to come give a quote because the drive was too far.

YMWV, eh?

I don’t know how it is in other cities, but reliable contractors in DC are incredibly hard to find. It might have changed now that the housing market has slowed, but I remember a story in DC of a homeowner who refused to pay a contractor for some shoddy work a few years back and the contractor killed the homeowner and rolled him up in a rug. I’m convinced at his trial the prosecutors probably said to him “if you get off, can I get your card? We want to redo our kitchen.”