again, we’re not talking about second hand smoke. We’re talking about odor. They are not the same thing. You can’t get bad cholesterol from smelling a hotdog.
Dude, what a silly argument. Do you understand how smell works? The only way to smell smoke is to inhale smoke.
Smoking kills other people. Hotdogs don’t.
bullshit. The only way to inhale smoke is if there is actual smoke. You can walk into a smokers house and smell the residual odor without any smoke present.
I have a serious question that I’d like answered with a cite, if possible:
Are the components of cigarette smoke that cause the odor the same as the ones that are responsible for the elevated cancer risks even in trace amounts?
Cancer & lung disease can set in with rather minute exposure.
Multi-unit housing where smoking is allowed is a special concern and a subject of research. Tobacco smoke can move through air ducts, wall and floor cracks, elevator shafts, and along crawl spaces to contaminate apartments on other floors, even those that are far from the smoke. SHS cannot be controlled with ventilation, air cleaning, or by separating smokers from non-smokers.
Or are you talking about just the odor? Do you really think that just odor is there without the other stuff? No actual scientist thinks that.
Now, if we are talking about the scent of tobacco on say clothing, not accompanied by actual smoke? Aka “thirdhand smoke”? Right now, there scant evidence of any cancer risk from that, one way or the other. Asthma attacks have been triggered by it. It’s possible that if babies sucked material with old smoking residue there could be a risk. No good studies on this yet.
SHS kills about 50000 people a year, kids are at high risk.
Care to share the results of that research?
For the “it isn’t really smoke if you just smell it” folks, here’s research on exposures from smokers at building entrances.
Genetic alterations may last for many years in smokers.
Genetic effects have been observed in those exposed to secondhand smoke as well.
I welcome further research specifically directed to secondhand smoke exposure levels in multi-unit housing. In the meantime, it strikes me as ridiculous to claim that secondhand smoke drifting into the homes of nonsmokers fits some special non-harmful category and therefore that regulation is unwarranted.
The general claim is non-existent rather than non-harmful.
I can do better than that, I’ll share the first paragraph of the same site DrDeth posted:
Secondhand Smoke
What is secondhand smoke?
Secondhand smoke (SHS) is also known as environmental tobacco smoke (ETS). SHS is a mixture of 2 forms of smoke that come from burning tobacco:
Sidestream smoke – smoke from the lighted end of a cigarette, pipe, or cigar
Mainstream smoke – the smoke exhaled by a smoker
As I said before, the keyword here is SMOKE.
Magiver, “smoke” doesn’t address the specific concentration of combustion compounds in the air. The question is “Are the chemicals in cigarette smoke that cause the odor the same as the ones that cause cancer?” If they are, then being able to smell it is de facto inhaling smoke, just from the definition of what smell IS.