Actually, it’s a form of class warfare. This new ban won’t affect a single member of the California 1%.
You will have a hard time finding “died of smoking” on death certificates (because it cannot be proven in any one case that a person’s lung cancer/emphysema/severe heart disease was caused by smoking). Odds are though that the person’s 75-pack-year smoking history had something to do with it. Similar epidemiologic evidence is used to demonstrate harm from secondhand smoke.
A major reason for banning smoking in bars is to protect the health of employees and others whose work takes them into those establishments.
“Smell” in this case equals “permeating of carcinogens”.
Drink irresponsibly and pose risks to others, and you’re subject to penalties of law. Smokers aren’t “singled out”. I don’t live in an apartment or attached home, but if I did in this town I’d feel a bit more secure that a careless smoker won’t burn the place down or make the place unhealthy due to his clouds of cigarette smoke.
I’ll agree that the law is overreaching, but you know, since the unit next to me got a different tenant my apt hasn’t smelled like marijuana. Just sayin’.
Completely wrong. If the safety is workers is the excuse for banning smoking in bars, why are people allowed to work outdoors where they breath in car exhaust and smog? Why are you allowd to work at a bank or 7-11 given the risk of robberies? How many bartenders have died from breathing in smoke vs robberies?
You mention drinking and driving. First, you CHOOSE to enter a bar. Not everyone has a choice to go outside or not. Second, there isn’t a zero tolerance policy on drinking. YOu can drink up the the legal limit, which still lowers your reflexes, making you a bigger risk to the safety of others. Other people on the road or on the street weren’t drinking with you are the bar. There is a ZERO tolerance policy on smoking in bars, but not for alcohol. Which causes more deaths? Alcohol related deaths or second hand smoking in bars? Also drinking in bars leads to fights, domestic abuse, etc..
Let me take a guess, you also believe in “third hand smoke” too, eh?
Given the nannies are also trying to impose taxes on junk food, stuf that people people go for, why not target gay men and all bisexuals with a tax to discourage unsafe sex practices that lead to serious disease and great cost to society?
oh wait, that would be bigotry… But it’s okay to be bigoted against smokers.
I can kind of see that point of view Gorsnak but I’m struggling with how you balance the right of a person to smoke in their own home with the right of neighbors to not be exposed to it.
About the only thing I can come up with is to have an up front disclosure about the smoking policy in the building. I’m sure that won’t make everyone happy but I rally don’t think any solution will.
Is it smokers’ fault buildings are cheaply made? WHy is it that there are lots of smokers in my buildings but you can’t smell the smoke other than a faint smell of stale smoke in the hallway if even that?
Then the next thing the nannies do is cry about “third hand smoke” that if you go outside and smoke, it sticks to your clothes and you bring it back inside. Of course these crybabies constantly neglect to realize their dry cleaned clothes are actually dangerous to the health of people.
Cite that smelling the aroma of smoke is the same as breathing smoke.
The nico nazis have their “third hand smoke” fraud thing. That’s their next thing to get smoking outdoors banned.
Evidently, regulating smoking will destroy freedom as we know it.
IT’S IN REVELATIONS, PEOPLE!
Then the next thing is telling you what size soda you can buy. But I guess in liberal utopia, so long as you get anal and abortion, everything else is subject to governmetn control.
Nice world the liberal utopia will be.
Don’t you pretty much have to be rich to smoke at all? When I quit it was almost $5 for a pack of smokes, and that was 5 years ago. Maybe if all the apartment dwellers in CA quit smoking, they could afford to buy detached homes in which to smoke.
BTW, former smoker here, and I’d be really fucking pissed off about this if I were still smoking and this law passed in my state. The second-best part of being a nonsmoker is not having to get all enraged over crap like this. (The best part is not being owned by tobacco companies.)
Well, smell is only possible when molecules enter your nostrils. Ergo, smelling = inhaling, which is at least a version of breathing.
Well, if the California law catches on, you’ll be living there soon enough.
So you can get e coli etc from smelling the air in a bathroom since you are breathing in poop?
If you squished Kansas, Nebraska and Iowa together, what you’d get has less straw than this thread.
And no doubt they’ll exempt “medical” marijuana from this, because liberlas are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.
I agree the soda thing is just stupid but the comment about “anal and abortion” clearly demonstrates that you don’t understand the difference between peronal privacy and the right to force your decisions on others.
I my neighbor gets an abortion it’s their private concern because it does not effect me. Your smoking does effect me. If you can’t see that distinction then I don’t know what else to say to you.
So you’re saying abortion and gay marriage will become mandatory? The only way the U.S. will be able to keep its population numbers up is to throw open the borders and give citizenship to all comers?
Horse crap. It’s perfectly well established that smoke inhalation causes illness and death – both from fires and from cigarettes.
I’m liberal because I don’t want you to kill me?
Again, this is a liberal issue?
How do you know I’m not ultra-libertarian? Long-established law already restricts me from taking matters into my own hands when you expose me to smoke, if you know what I mean. This new law merely gives me back the freedom from breathing smoke those laws took away.
But if you read my first post carefully (if possible…you seem a bit worked up) you’ll see that I did not specifically endorse the law. I stated that I dislike both meddling laws and cigarette smoke…and death, for that matter.