The neocons are already using the Berg incident..

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/20645.htm

Fucking animals.

“We will teach them not to fight back by stepping up the pressure to fight back.”

Short-sighted, pea-brained pustules on the asscrack of humanity. You want to fight Iraqis, go over there and do it yourselves. Fucking freaks.

hey come on everybody knows that’s never gonna happen because the neocons in the White House are a bunch of fucking chicken hawks.

Never thought I’d find myself agreeing with you…

Does anybody remember President Reagan’s promise to run down the guys who blew up the Marine Barracks in Beirut? Big talk. Just like John Wayne. Real world, though, not a movie or a comic book.

I’ll. um…
have to second that.

Fuckers.

(From the editorial in the OP)

:dubious:

Fascinating, isn’t it, what that says about what people believe…

Wow…
some peice of shit cuts off an american civillian’s head because he is an american… supposedly in retaliation for american troops leashing and ridiculing his fellow terrorists… and the “fucking animals” are the people who want revenge.

Wow.

Yeah, wow, Alcatraz.

“And not stop until every last one of the savage thugs is dead.”

And then what?

And then what? And then what? What do you you think? There’d be no more of those fuckers, that’s what! And then we could all go back to living in peace! Horror of horrors…

I can’t believe the shit I read on this board.

Um. Refresh my memory…When, exactly, where we living in peace in the first place? We’ve been in 5 “conflicts” since I gained voting age 20 years ago. And those are just the ones I can remember right off the top of my head. If you count prior to 1984, post 1966, the year I was born, that figure jumps significantly.

Um, Starving Artist, I hope you didn’t mean that seriously, but I… don’t think it works that way.

The potential for savage thuggitude exists within an AWFUL lot of people. And it often comes out when people they identify with, people they love, or they themselves are threatened or hurt. (Note the New York Post article in the OP for an example) Just like most fuckers, those in this particular subset of fuckers have parents. Children. Third cousins. Friends. Neighbors. People they played with when they were six. People who, while they may not be entirely HAPPY with what these guys did, probably won’t feel that the summary execution of them, a couple of guys who look kinda like them, and poor Achmed across the street is the right thing to do. Their first instincts will probably be revenge. This is not a feeling generally conducive to our long-term peace and happiness, ya know.

How many dead Iraqis, do you think, until Al-Qaeda turns themselves in?

How many dead around the world if we pullout; confirming OBL’s belief that we don’t have the heart or will to keep fighting? :confused:

Yeah, I remember! Turned out they were hiding in Grenada disguised as Cuban bullddozer drivers. Clint Eastwood invaded and wiped 'em all out, even though he was heavily un-outnumbered. Got killed, though. I liked his role as the jet pilot in Tarantula! better. Reagan was better in Hellcats of the Navy.

Elfbabe, I see your point, although I don’t see where I ever advocated killing “a couple of guys who look kinda like them, and poor Achmed across the street.” But in my opinion, the terrorists themselves are the ones who put their families and loved ones in the position of having to cope with their loss by making the decision to kill innocent people in an attempt to further their own political or societal goals.

But I would ask you, what alternative do you suggest? You indicate that eradicating them from the face of the earth only causes the desire for revenge on the part of their families and loved ones, and that “this is not a feeling generally conducive to our long-term peace and happiness.”

Yes, it would be wonderful if virtually all of the Arab world did not live in poverty under corrupt and incompetent governments, and if no Anglos tread their soil anywhere, and if they could somehow shield their populations from knowing about how we live so they won’t want to try to emulate it, and so they can pulverize Israel and then go back to fighting amongst themselves like they’ve done for eons…but first of all, how do we make that happen? Does the world institute some sort of gigantic welfare program to eradicate poverty in Arab countries? And what about their corrupt, incapable and dictatorial governments? Is the world to band together to overthrow them and institute more fair, compassionate and capable governments to take their place? And how would this be accomplished? And should the world take responsibility that no heathen Anglo is ever allowed to set foot on Arab soil anywhere so that someone like Bin Laden doesn’t take holy offense at his sacred ground being defiled?

And what is to become of Israel? Is the world to displace its populace and absorb it into their countries, or just throw it and its citizens to the wolves?

And what would be the impetus for all this even if it could be done? To keep the U.S. from wiping scumbags like Bin Laden and al-Zarqawi and al-Qaeda from the face of the earth? Sorry, but I think the latter solution is one that makes a lot more sense and is imminently more doable.

And Maureen, correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t recall the nation feeling it was at war with anyone on 9/10/2001.

Who said anything about a pullout?

I forgot to address this part of your post, elfbabe. I know it doesn’t work that way, and I wasn’t trying to say it did. I was answering Jimmy Chitwood’s scornful derision of Alcatraz’s post by asking what we were to do then if “every last one of the savage thugs is dead,” as though something just as, if not more, terrible would occur afterward. It sounded to me like he was saying “Yeah, then you murderous assholes would just have to start killing someone else.”

Never said you did. You do seem at least relatively sane and not likely to start slavering and calling for blood, at least as far as I can tell. :wink: But the New York Post article was calling for “total annihilation” with “no negotiation” and “no compromise” and that is the kind of attitude that’s likely to draw in those not directly responsible.

Yeah, and they’re huge fuckers for doing it. Even huger fuckers than they would have been if they sliced a guy’s head off in less politically charged situations. But that’s not going to change the reaction of their neighbors and loved ones, at least not in a way that’s going to keep all of us safe.

Ideally, a voice should boom down from the heavens indicating divine displeasure with what they have done. And then they should explode. Painfully. And then burst into flames. Forever.

Honestly, I think the best that we can try for is a restrained response. Not treating this situation as if it’s something endorsed and supported by every Iraqi, meaning not changing the way we deal with the rest of the country until they give us a damned good reason to. Doing anything possible to find these fuckers, make very sure they are the correct fuckers, taking them into custody, and giving them a trial that at least has a passing relationship with fairness.

THEN we shoot them. :mad:

I’m certainly not against bringing anyone involved in this to justice, and in taking whatever means are necessary to decrease the chances of this happening again. I just think we need to go about said bringing of justice very, VERY carefully, and not just for the sake of Iraqis, or for the sake of some lofty ideals. It’s just that I personally don’t think I’d like being blown up. I think most Americans would agree with me, especially those Americans who happen to be in Iraq right now. I would really like to keep our own asses safe, more than anything. And if we base our decisions on how to deal with Iraq on the basis of what huge fuckers these guys are, we’re not going to make the decisions necessary to do that. I don’t know how to fix all the problems in the Arab world, sadly. But I do subscribe to the idea that you should NOT get angry, desperate people with weapons any more pissed off than they already are unless you’re VERY sure that whatever you’re doing is going to turn out well.

Yeah, a very nice standard speech, could’v’e been written by Karen Hughes herself. Terrorists = bad. We know that. FOR SWEET CHRIST’S SAKE, we all KNOW that.

The problem with your stirring, controversial no-holds-barred speech that dares to take a brave lone stand against … um, the world’s most hated individual on the planet … is that the Post was talking about an all-out war with Iraq.

Iraq, the place where, until Hussein was deposed, al-Qaeda had no foot-hold.

Iraq, the land that only became friendly to al-Qaeda after we invaded and instilled chaos.

IRAQ, the country that had FUCK-ALL TO DO WITH 9-11, bin Laden and al Qaeda.

How many times does it have to be said before people get this into their thick skulls? Even now, people are still conflating Iraq with 9-11. Good job, President Cheneybush. Good job indeed.

On a tangent …

Okay, I wanna say this to you and other shitwits who just loooove responding to any criticism about the USA or some other internal issue with “OMG, I can’t believe you’d dare to insult (insert homegrown atrocity here, such as Bush/the New York Post/Rumsfeld/Paris Hilton), but not the terrorists!!!11 How can you give the terrorists a free ride? How can you be so supportive of terrorists? My God, you all are sick, sick terrorist-loving surrender-monkeys!”

Here’s a newsfuckingflash for y’all: Just because we’re calling the Post’s editors, BushCo et al. fuckers doesn’t mean we haven’t already cursed and despised the terrorists for their disgusting, vile crimes. I don’t know about you, but I’m pretty good at multi-tasking my hatred.

Scumsucking terrorists, who perpetrate the mass murders of innocent civillians by calling for a jihad or other type of war in order to make some political or religious point, are in their own special circle of Hell, that’s for damn sure.

In a slightly higher circle – but still in Hell – are those who advocate the mass murder of innocents by calling for all-out-war in a country filled with people who had nothing to do with a crime.

Decrying terrorism is a fucking given, I should hope. It’s repulsive and cheap of you to even imply that we don’t all decry it. We shouldn’t have to preface every comment with “oooh do we hate those terrorists or what?!” for you to understand that yes, we hate them above everyone else.

However, ordinary folks like us must also call out the shit that goes on in our own country, by our so-called civilized leaders and media. It’s a proud tradition dating back to those who called bullshit on King George III.

It’s very, very easy to show outrage towards an enemy. Not so easy, or as popular, is showing outrage towards crap done by ourselves. But we can and must do both.