and do they really think there won’t be a way around this inside of 2 weeks? and possibly the most important question. Do they really think people are going to give up Great mp3 players like Winamp for a crappy program called windows media player?
oh yeah I’m kinda new here so move this if its the wrong forum, thanks.
The website referenced contains an article detailing the new technology coming for CD . . . to quote:
This is a topic worthy of discussion and/or debate, well, it is if you folks make it so, so no problem as far as we’re concerned. Discussion and debate is fine. It’s when people write in asking for ways to defeat anti-piracy measures that we get upset.
We hold rights in high esteem; as we do not wish our content to be ripped off, neither can we support anyone or anything that would want to rip off others.
well it may have been worded as sort of “what are these morons thinking” but its obvious someone somewhere really thinks this will have an effect on the whole mp3 thing going on, my personal opinion is more along the lines of “what kind of crack were these morons on when they bought into this idea”
it affects our freedom (at least as far as ripping for personal use which I do alot of)
its a huge waste of money on someones part and you can bet that “WE” are going to pay for it. (we being music lovivn computer literates everywhere) (yes its late and I spelled literate wrong…I think)
its stupid as hell for the reasons I stated in the op.
By limiting ripping legally purchased cds to mp3 for our personal use. I have a butload of mp3s on my work computer that came from CD’s I own, and since those cds are not being used by anyone here at hom, while I am listening to the mp3s at work, It is all perfectly legal(and much neater than trying to get through security with a metric crap load of cds).
the cd’s will be unplayable on a pc. one option is that you will be able to play them on your pc with a microsoft program. thats right microsoft wants exclusive control over yet another asspect of the computing world.
personally I think windows media player is crap, crap that you need to watch certain types of video, but crap none the less.
when we have a party here the music is all stored on my pc and played with winamp through my stereo. it sounds good, looks good, and does what I want it to. I have close to 2000 songs on my hard drive.
If I download music over the net it’s to listen to so I can decide if I want to buy it or not. and example is the Sonics. I grabbed some of their stuff a few weeks ago and picked up one of their cd’s the other day. once I can track down the other 2 I’ll buy them as well. I admit that not everyone is this way about music sharing. that is why the recording industry is so bent out of shape over napster and its many clones. unfortunately you cant convince them of how many records sharing SELLS. if I can sit at home and check out music from 10 bands in an hour or so, it sells records. I will buy it if I like it and if I can hear more than just the one song on the radio. without sharing I am exposed to relatively few new bands. with sharing I can check out dozens in a week.
I would never even consider buying a CD I could not convert to MP3, as that has become my “target” format for all of my music. But as the OP says, they’d have a difficult time of it keeping me from digitizing the analog sound output. So unless they intend on making everyone move to sound systems in which the speakers themselves receive a digital stream, they won’t accomplish much.
If they had any damn sense they’d sell individual songs at a reasonable price at download sites and get on this train instead of attempting to derail it.
Personally, I give them, oh, about 30 days between releasing the first “uncopyable” CDs to the general public, and seeing new CD drivers linked to from slashdot that allows Linux to play said CDs. Heck, they’ve talked enough about the method they use that the new drivers might actually be out before the first CD is officially released.
Time for Freedom Lesson Numero Uno, kiddies: You don’t have a right to convenience.
Basically, none of your freedoms are being violated by rip-proof CDs, because you never HAD a freedom to rip CDs in the first place. You have a privilege, the constraints of which are set out by the provider, and agreed upon by you when you buy the provider’s products.
Oh, I’m not saying its a constitutionally protected right or anything. They are legally within thier rights to try and stop people from fair use, but I wont feel a bit bad when someone brings out a ripper or a directx plug in to defeat it. It will only be a matter of time.
And as the OP sez, you will still be able to rip the CDs manually. Or copy them to tape (remember those?!) or Minidisc or whatever. Not as convenient, but the complaint is a “freedom to listen” one rather than a “freedom to listen on mp3”…
No-one is forced to use Microsoft products (Bill Gates once came round to my gaff with a couple of heavies and tried to make me stop using WinAmp, but I unleashed the hounds and that was the last I saw of 'em).
At the end of the day you can always buy a standard CD player, or make do with WMP (which seems to work OK for me when I have used it…).
Thanks for the clarification Tuba. I’ve had a couple of questions about p2p, but I’ve refrained from asking them due to the sensitivity the Reader has regarding Napster.
I think ANY effort to use software or the law to restrict trading of music is doomed to fail. There are just too many crackers out there drooling over the prospect of being the one to crack a major code.
The recording labels have two major fatal flaws.
[1] Everything has to be standardized and consistent.
[2] Cost prevents them from changing their codes frequently.
I think we will see this battle drag on until artists start succesfully taking the music directly to the net, or a new breed of recording labels pops up and markets exclusively over the net.
Let’s see…the largest, most powerful corporations in the world, versus unorganized groups of amateur 13-19 year old hackers working out of their parent’s basements.
Yup, it’s a contract; not a natural freedom or contitutionally given right - has nothing to do with it. If you don’t like the contract (as written in the fine prints on the back of the case), then don’t agree to it (i.e. don’t buy it).
You know what though, I’m sure some embittered former software enginneer who lost his job at Nortel would find a trick to ‘rip’ the music off anyways. So rest easy; music ripping would certainly still exist.
Call me crazy, but I really like Windows Media Player, the new wma format (fully supported in Windows XP and by my Rio 800 MP3 player) is REALLY great. You can take an outdated MP3 file (I say out dated because the file format has been around since 1988) which is approx. 1MB per 1 Min of music, and without losing any detectable quality, convert it to wma at 0.5MB per 1 min. Now Rio has already gotten on board with wma. Winamp is a FORCE in the digital music world, I have a feeling that wma will just be a new file format and winamp will probably want in. Until that happens, you’ll just have to suffer with Windows media player 8, which by the way now fully supports DVD playback… is there any Bill can’t do?
Before anyone asks, I am not in any way associated with Microsoft, I just really like alot of their work… like I said at the begining, call me crazy!
You don’t sign a release when you buy CDs. You buy them just as you would a book or an LP or a newspaper.
As a consumer, you are allowed to do whatever you want with your property, so long as it is legal and within the bounds of personal use. You’re allowed to use that newspaper to potty-train your puppy, and you’re allowed to cut apart your books and paste the pages to your bathroom wall, or read them at night to your children. You’re allowed to make a cassette tape of your LP and play it in your car. You are absolutely allowed to make a recording of your CD, in any format you choose, so long as it is for personal use.
That’s why a hack for this bullshit is not only inevitable, it’s also legal, with the same caveat.
This new-format solution is almost as bad as it can possibly be. It will not stop anybody who is determined to copy and distribute music. It will, however, punish everyone else, including me, who uses their property in a lawful manner. And, it forces a new, proprietary standard upon law-abiding people when there is a better, public domain standard–MP3–out there already, which will continue to be used by the criminals. In other words, Microsoft profits from your mistake if you buy one of these CDs, and it provides an incentive for people to break the law, because MP3s sound better–except to Çyrin. Nice work, recording industry.
Yes, I’m sure that people just want to rip copies of personal CD’s that they have purchased. Nobody would ever want to grab a few or a few hundred tunes that they had not paid for. I have no problem with people wanting to take a CD and make a personal copy, whether it be a cassete tape or MP3’s. This is not what the majority of people are doing though.
Somehow, many people have determined that they shouldn’t have to pay for music, that it is somehow their right to rip of artists, and that the only reason they are doing it is for convenience. It’s a bunch of crap.
As an artist who relies on royaly checks to help pay my bills, I resent this a great deal. I can understand why you wish that artists would just give their music away to everyone. I wish car companies just gave their cars away but thats not how it works. And I don’t recall anything in the constitution about the “right to steal”.