The NHL to examine increasing the size of the goal

Now that I have had some time to get over the initial shock that the NHL really does want to make a baseball out of me, I would like to examine the issue of increasing the size of the goals.

Tradition
The goals have always been 72" wide and 48" high. Granted there was a time when there was no cross bar and the referee had to judge whether the puck was above or below the 48" poles sticking out of the ice but regardless of the construction of the goal, they have been 72" x 48".

Adaptation
Goalies, with some help from goalie coaches, have adapted to the style of play of the NHL. If the style of the game changed, so would the goalies. Teams play to allow shots from outside and if a shot comes from the slot it will be heavily contested and through traffic. The idea behind this is that if a player can hit the piece of goal the goalie leaves exposed under pressure, more power to him. The highest profile example of this would be Giguere. He has average to below average reflexes yet is positionally sound enough to take up space. He rarely makes saves. The puck hits him. There is a difference. Goaltender evolution has been discussed since Glenn Hall pioneered the butterfly style. The same issues discussed then apply now. If a goalie takes away the most vulnerable part of the net, what is a shooter to do?

Comparison
In order to put what the NHL is considering, we must compare it to other sports. The problem is: which team sport do we compare it to? There are two major sports that, like hockey, use equipment to propel projectiles: Baseball and Lacrosse (arguments can be made for Cricket and Field Hockey but I am not familiar enough with either one to discuss them nor are either of them generally accepted in the North American market.) Lacrosse is more like basketball with sticks with little emphasis on playing defense. The shot clock is the defending teams best asset. Thus, we are left with baseball. Baseball has been around longer than hockey and yet has stayed the course in terms of holding to tradition, the notable exception being the DH. Further, while baseball management consistently imply that the home run is the most exciting event in the game (I cite the lack of enforcement when it comes to performance enhancing substances and balls that are a hair short of a super ball), they have held to the wood bat and, after a lapse in management created a frenzy with the strike zone, steps are being taken to return to a traditional strike zone. Decisions in other sports on these types of issues should not be overlooked.

Refutation of the bigger goalies necessitates bigger goals
The problem is not with the idea that goalies are taking up more space in the modern age of hockey. That is not disputable. The problem arises when bigger goals are seen as a legitimate way to offset the bigger goalies. Watching the present day NHL, we can see that goals are still scored on odd man on a consistent basis but odd man rushes are rare. In fact, when the new style of goaltending is forced to go beyond the style of play for which it was developed, we see that many goalies are out of their element. This includes od man rushes and having to deal with actual offensive plays on the net. Therefore we can conclude that the problem is not with the size of the nets as players can still score when given an opportunity. We can also infer that if more odd man rushes and plays on goal were created, more goals would be scored.

Proposed Solutions
There are many things that need addressing in the NHL before increasing the size of the goals should even be considered. The NHL has tried to address some of these with bringing back the tag up offside rule and no touch icing.

  1. Icing still called while killing a penalty.
  2. Player serves entire penalty whether a goal is scored or not.
  3. Leave the red line. This is not a rule change but with so many people advocating its removal, I had to add this.
  4. Do not add extra rules for infractions. Obstruction hooking is just hooking, etc. Call the game by the book. If the fans, players, and GM’s object, the NHL should release a statement in support of the referees and reaffirm the league’s commitment to calling the game by the book. This has never been done before and a statement from the league office would go a long way to letting everyone know that the league intends to continue the enforcement, rather than being silent and leaving the officials out on a limb as they slowly climb back to the status quo. This will have an added side effect of encouraging teams to get faster as their players will be unimpeded. Teams that are slow will fall by the wayside until they adjust. Team speed allows teams to forecheck more aggressively which creates chances either through forced turnovers or through the forecheck being beaten.
  5. Goalie pads can go back to 10 inches, even though that is not the main problem. The NHL needs to make a stand and force goalies into smaller upper body suits. The technology exists to stop a bullet from close range with a suit that is fit snugly on the wearer, there is no reason for 6’1" 180 lb Giguere to appear as though he is 470 lbs on the ice. A concession that must be made at the same time is that the one piece composite sticks are banned and the NHL goes to wood only sticks. Brodeur has already said that he would be in favour of such a trade.

Aside from #1 (of which I am not certain and am not going to bother to research), I know the rest have been in the NHL at one point or another and thus, are not a violation of the game’s history or tradition.

There is an opportunity here for the NHL to show the real hockey fans that we still matter and that the NHL is not intent on alienating long time fans in order to attract a handful of fickle spectators.

I know this is the pit and not much of a rant but I really had to post this.

Shouldn’t they get the season started first?

I missed why they want to make you a baseball?

Ooops. Baseball fan.

As a player, (a defenseman) I like that it’s difficult to score in hockey. The goalkeeping at the skill level I play it isn’t anywhere near the professional level, but neither is the shooting skills. It seems that increasing the goal size would be pretty drastic, as it would require goalkeepers to relearn their positioning. Reducing pad size, including the blocker and catcher would probably be more reasonable, if the league really thinks that there isn’t enough scoring in the game.

The excitement in hockey is in the scoring chance, not the friggin’ goal. How exciting is a basket in a basketball game? It’s in the display of talent in getting the goal. The pass, the deke, the shot that slips right under the pads or right above/below the goalies glove. It’s in the glove or the leg that snaps out and stops the puck that nobody thought could be stopped. The goal is simply the aftermath.

The only good that could come from increasing the size of the net is that it may make the goalies work harder to stop it, but there isn’t a lot of fun in watching a goalie let in 8-10 goal because he is too slow to stop them.

This is just another stupid idea from a bunch of clueless front office people desperate to sell their game to anybody.

I agree entirely but this will be proposed at the GM meetings next week. GM’s are supposed to be hockey guys. Hell, Colin Campbell is supposed to be a hockey guy.

Or is this just some way to get people to discuss something other than the lockout?

Greenback,

I agree with everything you said except the Red Line Removal. Getting rid of it would keep offsides as it is, but eliminate the 2 Line Pass infraction - which would open up the ice more and lead to more odd man breaks (as you eluded to).

Oh - and add No Touch Icing

The truth is that increasing the size of the goal is probably the only way to increase scoring. Goalies are much better than they were 20 years ago- yes the size of the equipment has changed but so has the way in which goalies are taught the position.

I don’t like the idea of messing with the game, but there may have to be some (more) dramatic changes to ensure the longtime future of the game. I saw on the front of canoe.ca that the NHL will also adopt some form of shootout. I think that is a great idea - but only for the regular season. I think and hope that the powers that be know enough to leave the OT system intact for the playoffs.

What this really is is recognition of the fact that the talent pool in the NHL has been stretched way too thin by the past decade of expansion and that there just aren’t enough good players out there. The owners control the NHL, and they are loathe to shrink the size of the league because they still see profit potential in their non-producing markets (Nashville and Carolina please stand up). So they let the hooking, clutching, punching and obstruction go because they know that it’s the easiest way to play the game.

This is what has pissed me off about hockey for the past 10 years. Because there are too many teams and not enough players who are skilled, the teams end up drafting and signing linebackers on skates in the hopes that they can at least clog up as much of the ice as possible so the truly gifted players can produce. What the NHL really needs for starters is to drop a bunch of teams. I’d say the aforementioned Nashville and Carolina, along with Florida, Atlanta, and Anaheim at least. Then I’d love to see them go to the international-sized rink, though I doubt that will ever happen because of the costs involved and the lost seating. I’d also love to see the red line removed to eliminate the two-line pass rule, and no-touch icing. Put strict and enforced limits on goalie equipment sizes, so they aren’t just brick walls that cover the whole net (they enforce the stick curve rule, why not this one?). Then, finally, please, please, please NHL, call the rules as they are written. Call hooking, call obstruction, call holding, all the god-damned time, not just when it suits, always. Free up the ice so that defensemen can only succeed by being vigilant and well-positioned, and so that smaller but skilled players can actually compete.

Lastly, I’d get rid of fighting. I’m sure there are plenty of people here who love it (or maybe not, what do I know?), but it’s just plain stupid, adds nothing to the sport, and really is just white trash.

I think that removing the red line would actually cause scoring to go down. Without going into too much detail, teams would play far more conservative with their defensemen as there is too great a risk in getting caught with a long pass. The olympcis showed that teams would set the trap system for the neutral zone rather than in the offensive zone. The finnish elite league is considering putting the red line back in order to increase scoring.

Coaching philosophies and enforcement of enfractions cause scoring to go down. Like I said in the OP, players still score regurlarly on odd man rushes. I won’t go into the talent pool because I can’t see the NHL ever admitting their mistake.

Attendance figures.

There are worse teams to drop instead of Anaheim, Florida and Atlanta.

Try Pittsburgh, NY Islanders, Chicago, and Washington.

I think you may be right. People rarely seem to consider that changes like these may have the opposite effect to what is intended. I’ve often heard the phrase “at least they’re doing something,” but the something sometimes just makes things worse.

It’s very hard to predict the results of these changes. Increasing the size of the goal might increase the chances of scoring on long shots, and so devalue clever playmaking. If you have a decent chance at scoring with a long shot, it’s not worth the risk to try to make a play to get a better opportunity.

I disagree. It’s my sincere belief that the simplest way to make NHL hockey more exciting and higher scoring is to simply call hooking. You don’t need to change a damn thing, just enforce the rules.

I honestly have always wondered why an NHL team does not hire a 700 pound man to be a goalie. Put him on the ice and push him in front of the goal if you have to. Guaranteed Stanley Cup. If you cover the whole goal, you cannot possibly lose. I can never understand how people can let the “purity of the game” get in the way of winning. :slight_smile:

BTW- That OP was well thought out, organized and well written. Why was it in the PIT? :smiley:

So, instead of killing the Sunbelt teams, you’d rather kill an Original Six, and two with Stanley Cup traditions?

Incidentally, I’d try referring to the percentages instead…even at 11,877/game, that’s 70% of Mellon Arena, the oldest in the NHL, and that’s despite having nothing but rookies and yet one of the highest ticket prices in the NHL.

Contraction won’t fix anything. The percentages will stay the same vis-a-vis real players and linebackers. What needs to be put to rest is the Western Canadian Old Boys Network. Just because you played with guys who were houses on skates doesn’t mean that the league should continue to play those guys. I want to see real talent, not giant guys who are skilled at clutch-and-grab.

Minor changes such as those that have been outlined above would be nice, but it’s going to take a major philosophical change to get the league back on solid footing. It’s not the fastest game on ice anymore…hell, curling is faster. I have no problem with the trap if it’s run cleanly…but I can’t stand seeing the neutral zone clogged all the time. Because as Harborwolf said it’s the opportunities that make the game great, not the goals.

Possibly, but without the red line you could have players coming in to the offensive zone with more speed, making it harder to defend against. What removing the red line would do is open the game to more possibilities for good coaches to use to their advantage. Think of what removing the red line could do for a fast team like Tampa Bay, or for skaters and playmakers.

Besides, the coaches aren’t going to change their strategies at this point. Defense wins. You have to give the good coaches at least one new way to break the opposing defense.

As for contraction, it’s a great idea but it will never happen. I don’t think that the NHL would miss teams like Nashville, Atlanta, Anaheim, Florida, Carolina, or Phoenix. And to be honest, Pittsburgh, Chicago, and the NY Rangers need to stop living on past glories and start putting out a hockey team.

Some of the GM’s are hockey people, but they are all business people. Therein lies the problem. Their interests lie in the money and they’ve forgotten the game.

Lastly, to those of you complaining about the way the rules are enforced, you aren’t the first and won’t be the last. I just finished The Game by Ken Dryden. If you are a hockey fan and you haven’t read it, you aren’t a hockey fan. In the book he details how people were complaining about the rules before he was even a player. It’s been going on forever and will always be as much a part of the game as fighting. I would love to see it happen, but it never will.

Sorry, the strike has made me a wee tiny bit cynical.

I’m with Lord Ashtar here. There’s nothing to change if no one is playing the game.

Personally, I think that professional sports should be as hard as the players pay is excessive. That goal should be a 10 inch by 10 inch moving orifice that changes shape randomly.

They ought to use aluminum bats, steel cleats and put hidden weight activated trapdoors in the outfield in baseball.

In football, large padded walls ought to pop up at random intervals and locations in the field. The goal post should move from side to side, and every so often, turn to the left or right really quickly. Since many football stadiums also house baseball, they could make use of the trapdoors too.

It’d all make the games more interesting.

oh, and the player, once they fall into a trap door, and onto the big padded cushion, they’ve got to stay there the whole game.