The Night of The Doctor Mini-episode (Open Spoilers)

What are ‘Eight’s Big Finish audios’?

Audioplays by Big Finish productions. Some really great stuff there.

Thanks!

Yes, and they are doing some 50th Anniversary stuff too. Check out the cast list on these:

They tend to be a bit expensive at first, but drop in price fairly quickly.

I’m trying to think of an Eighth Doctor one that is a) cheap, and b) requires little backstory so makes a good introduction, but am struggling, so I’ll just recommend one of my favourites: The Chimes of Midnight, from 2002.

That was great. I can’t wait until next weekend.

I had been having trouble reconciling the idea of an intermediate not-Doctor involved with the Time War, given how freely the later Doctors acknowledged their guilt for destroying the Daleks and Gallifrey. My new theory is that the “War Doctor” fought the Time War, creating all the atrocities referred to (“The Nightmare Child,” “The Never-Weres” etc.), intending a Time Lord victory - but Christopher Eccleston’s Doctor ended the war. The post-war Doctors acknowledge their actions to end the war, but not their actions during the war.

Interesting angle, Andy L. In the second TV trailer, the War Doctor says “Great men are forged in fire. It is the privilege of lesser men to light the flame.” Your suggestion would make sense if he sees himself as the lesser man (which seems also in keeping with 8’s dialogue with the Sister), and hopes that his regeneration will again be the Doctor. Makes Eccles “forged in fire,” waking up to a new regeneration with the knowledge of all the hell he had wrought and that his only choice was to push the button.

I’d watch that. I might weep, but I’d watch the hell out of it.

…actually, that could be close to the way the special goes. The face of the newly-regenerated War Doctor is definitely not current John Hurt. Ghod only knows how much time elapses between “Night” and “Day.”

It’s a bit of an overstatement to say that this minisode made Eight’s Big Finish stuff canon. It made the names of Eight’s companions canon, sure, but nothing more than that.

Me too.

I think that it was his recently established new look, though, with the blue jacket. Though I guess that doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme* of things.

“Grand Scheme” is an apt description for Doctor Who. I think I’ll use it for the title of the episode I write*

**I am not writing a Doctor Who episode

I’m starting to wonder that if they kept this secret, if they have also gotten Christopher Eccletson to appear in the special just as a cameo to show his regeneration.

I know they have denied his appearance, but NBC said Steve Carrel would not be in the Office finale.

:crosses fingers:

Yeah, I’m impressed how they were able to keep this hidden.

My inner-geek is ready to burst out now. I feel the urge to write some alternate timeline-based fanfic about the adventures of Doctor #8 and his intrepid new companion Cass squaring off against the evil Morbius of Karn.

Friend, I think it’s safe to admit you are because everybody else here has at least planned one out. None were produced, of course, mostly because of that problematic “not knowing the right people” thing.

The Big Idea things aren’t canon? I thought the deal was that anything by Big Idea was canon.

What if the 8 1/2 Doctor was Morbius, the renegade warmongering Time Lord, and the crimes Morbius was executed for were committed in the Time War? When the Fourth Doctor went up against him on Karn, he was unknowlngly manoeuvered by the Time Lords into confronting a disgraced future version of himself, saving them embarrassment.

In The Lodgerhe shows Craig his previous faces,then says “Eleventh” while pointing at himself.

I remember that because I’d previously speculated there might have been some unseen regenerations between McGann and Eccleston. The Lodger was, AFAIK, the first explicit statement that there wasn’t.

Rule One: Moffatt lies.

And thank Og for that!

The deal with Doctor Who canon is this: there isn’t one. Not officially, nor even by unofficial fan consensus.

Not that that stops people arguing endlessly over what the canon — were it to exist — would consist of, naturally.

There was a Big Finish adventure I listened to where Eight spent something like five or six hundred years stuck on a planet by himself. If that were canon, then Nine and Ten were lying about their age, or else Eight existed for well over half of his entire lifetime.