The Oldest Name

The thread about the Scorpion King got me thinking, what is the oldest name? I’m thinking of a person historians know existed and where we can state with some certainty the name they used while living.

I’m guessing it’s either an Egyptian or Chinese ruler of some sort, but history was never exactly my strong suit.

Og.

Nice guy. Smashed stuff a lot, though.

Adam? :smiley:

Zev Steinhardt

OG!

I apologize heartily; I couldn’t resist. It’s a good question, and I sincerely hope someone smarter than me comes along with a response.

Crap simulpost. Nobody else was here when I started my reply. Let me just hang the “idiot” sign around my neck now.

My WAG
Possibly Huang Di, the Yellow Emperor, a part-real, part- legendary personage who is credited with founding the Chinese nation around 4,000 B.C? Or his wife Lei Zu &/or his enemy Cheng Yu … one of these was first maybe?

This IS the SD & I’ll stand corrected & look forward to it

I remember that the Guinness Book used to list an Egyptian king named Narmer as the oldest name. I see from googling that he united Upper and Lower Egypt around 3150 BC, but can’t confirm the oldest name bit. Any Egyptologists out there?

Good guesses so far. I wonder how many of these early “names” are sort of colorful descriptors (but is there a difference?). We’re talking archaeologically verified, right?

Even The “Huang Di” was a bit later than that-- 2600s or so (but I also know that these early guys are “traditionally known of”-- the early dynasty archaeologically verified is the Shang) That is the Huang Di of who and invented the magnet AND the wheel. . . you catch my drift. Same problem as Adam or Homer. The Huang Di that we know existed was Zhou dynasty (the guy with the clay army)-- around 220 BC.

I think Narmer is a good guess-- he’s around 3000. I don’t know if his name is of the same nature as Scorpion’s-- if Nar-mer is actually just the old Egyptian for “catfish-squiggle” or whatever his glyphs represent. Maybe Scorpion does count? He’d be slightly earlier.

I DO know who the first named artist/architect was-- Imhotep, designer of Saqqara. An assyrian chick named Inhedduanu is the earliest named poet.

Stop taking -g’s name in vain, heathen!!!

The evidence for Scorpion we date to around 3500 BCE, while Narmer/Menes we date to just a few years later.

We have fairly little evidence for the real existence of “Scorpion”, but while we have evidence that Narmer existed and united Upper and Lower Egypt, he doesn’t appear in any of the King Lists. The name that does appear in the King lists as the first uniter of the two kingdoms is Menes, who we have no other evidence for. Legend says that Scorpion started the invasion, and Narmer/Menes ended it. Make if it what you will

I’m sorry, I was wrong. The traditional dating for Narmer/Menes is, indeed, around 3100 BCE.

How about Lucy? :wink:

I was thinking that there might be some earlier Sumerian kings, but nope, earliest ones recorded are a few hundred years after Narmer.

Hey, I found a mention of a Cessair in Ireland from 3200 BC…that might be it.

And a Pharoah Sneferu from 3400 BC…

http://www.magicdragon.com/UltimateSF/timeline4KBC.html#3300-3200

Not sure how accurate this is though.

Badtz, Sneferu was definitely after Narmer. The accepted date for Sneferu’s reign is 2613 BE.

Narmer, AKA Menes (which appears to be a Hellenization of an alternative Egyptian name for the same guy), united the Upper and Lower Kingdoms of Egypt. King Scorpion is the only historical figure known by anything other than name from prior to that unification. (But we don’t know what the scorpion hieroglyph stood for in terms of sounds.)

I’ve heard of a Sumerian queen Shub-Ad, from 3500 BCE.

As the husband of a paleoanthropologist, I refuse to be put in a position where I’m arguing with javaman about the oldest named human! :smiley:

What is that supposed to mean? I have no idea. and all my guesses don’t sound right to me.