NYTimes video is acting up… but managed to see 80% of the speech…
Well I did notice he promised a lot: Healthcare/Medicare… Private Social security… etc…etc… Did anyone in his team add up how much all of these would cost ? If its viable to privatize everything ? I doubt the voters will figure out that doing all of this and cutting taxes and fighting wars doesn’t add up fiscally. (The part about medicine for elderly was very false ? I don’t know about that.)
Well the speech seemed much of the same. Grandiose statements that make average americans feel they are part of something bigger... a great historical moment.... not. Illusions are better I guess than reality. Oceania threatens everyone.
This "staying on the offensive" seems similar a bit to the "lightining rod" theory ? What about the 3/4 AQ members figure ?
He went pretty strong against abortion and gay marriage... ohh... I hope that backfires on him. At least he didn't try to play neutral. :)
He could have also pointed out that there is nothing “conservative” about rolling back environmental protections and allowing our environment to be harmed for short term monetary profit.
Oh please tell me that Kerry said something later that referred to his “conservative values” as that article…umm… That had nothing to do with Kerry saying he had conservative values except keeping a seperation between church and state (and that’s putting a big stretch on it). How did Bush (Rove) glean out of that that Kerry said he has conservative values? (Or am I just trying to make sense out of nonsense.)
I’m afraid your request is simply impossible to comply with. This is just another in a very, very, very long list of intentionally misleading misquotes George W. Bush gets away with. He says it, the press repeats it over and over and over and over, and, like any good Urban Legend, it takes on a “truth” all its own.
It really is a disgusting affront to decency and integrity. Sadly, it’s what I’ve come to expect from GWB. He personifies the old saying, “You know how you can tell when George W. Bush is lying? His lips are moving.”
Really, really pathetic. And frighteningly, stupid people all over this country are falling for it.
I already vented in the pit, but I’ll ask the same question here: Where has George Bush been for the past four years? He seemed to be talking like he was going to clean things up and make things better, since the last four years accomplished absolutely nothing. I thought the whole speech was an admission of guilt.
OK, any of you folks who know me even a little will know that I am not a Bush supporter. However, I will give some credit where credit is due.
First, this is the best that I have ever seen the man speak. He obviously put a lot of time in to rehearsing. Obviously, my expectations are rather low for the quality of his public speaking but it must be stated that he did a pretty good job.
Second, I was interested to see that he was getting a little teary eyed at the end when he was talking about the aftermath of 9/11. I hope that this was a somewhat unguarded moment and not cynical manipulative method acting. If the former, I am at least marginally reassured that, while I am in diametric opposition to everything that this man stands for, at least he cares about what he is doing.
Finally, one thing that did strike me a little bit was that the one time that I did notice him stuttering and misspeaking was the point at which they were hustling the protester out. I don’t know if I am reading too much in to things, but this bothered me in some way. It is as if he can do well in a carefully controlled environment, but the moment things go off script he starts to fumble.
His post-9/11 speech (I think it was in early Oct '02) was not only his best, but a top notch speech no matter to whom you compare him. Excellent content, excellent dilevery
Well, he’s famous for that. You needn’t look any further than his Face the Nation interview earlier this year. And he could have pretty much guessed what the questions were going to be in advance, so it was hardly even unscripted. That interview was an absolute disaster.
Well, he probably couldn’t hear what they were yelling, but he could obviously see the commotion.
It doesn’t seem to have swayed many hearts and minds. I haven’t gotten a response yet from my Republican folks; Dad loved Zell Miller, so I think the serious doubts he was having about voting Repub have been wiped out. The people I know who don’t care about politics weren’t watching because…well, they really don’t care about politics.
Yes. Method acting. This is a school of thought (specifically the Stanislavski method IIRC) where you use emotional memories from your past so that you are able to show real emotion during a (rehearsed) performance.
What I was trying to say was that it is my hope that he actually feels the emotion that he seemed to be sharing with us and was not just using them as a tool for cynical manipulation. Glad that I could clear that up for you.
Well, my dad and my wife (both Republicans) lapped it up…they loved the convention and were thrilled with Bush’s speech. A lot of folks I know are raving about the speech, both independent types and Republicans (the latter more than the former). Myself, I kept asking “how are we going to pay for all that” during the first half of the speech, and trying to remind them such things are NOT part of a conservative agenda.
Personally as I said I thought it was one of his better speeches from a delivery standpoint (I agree with John Mace though that it was unnecessary for him to even mention Kerry, as all the OTHER speeches had done their attack dog job). He seemed relatively relaxed and comfortable (he usually comes across as intensely uncomfortable and stilted), and he was definitely laying on the charm. However, after hearing his speech and Kerry’s speech I’m left between a rock and a hard place…all I see are big red dollar signs in the future reguardless of which candidate wins.
So… non-acted, acted, rehearsed speech. It was spontaneously performed after hours of precise practice. The speech wasn’t an improv show. Cheney wasn’t morphed into Drew Carey (although, now that I mention it, the similarity is spooky). Whether or not the emotion was a real reaction to the events of 9/11, or a calculated stage cue to think about his "dog getting run over; that’s probably something that we’ll never be able to find out. Therefore, it’s kinda fruitless to debate, n’est-ce pas?
Well, hope in one hand and crap in the other and see which piles up first.
Sure, except for the part where I was not putting that forward as a topic for debate. Rather, I was making a comment on something that I hoped was true. What is it that you are trying to get at, anyway?
I’m dubious…the last polls I saw on Zogby showed a much closer race. Time seems to be claiming that GW has a double digit lead…I’m just not buying that from one poll.
Well, lets not do a chicken census just yet. November is light years away, plenty of time for either, or both, of the candidates to thoroughly screw the pooch.
And this creature, the “likely voter”? Does this include such persons who were not motivated to vote before? Didja notice how frequently you hear the phrase about someone’s brother-in-law, or hairdresser, or boss…“never voted before, but now…”
There is time. Lots and lots of time. Plenty of things to discuss. Iraq, lies, Chalabi, lies, Iran, lies…we’re gonna have us a good ol’ time, you betcha!
Right on. But don’t deny me the pleasure of posting so wonderful a poll number!
Haha! If well over three years of ‘OMG BUSH IS IRANIAN AND STOLE TEH FLORIAD ELECTIONZ WITH CHALABY!1!@’ hasn’t sunk in by now, I wouldn’t put too much in faith in 2 more months of that changing things much.
It’s gonna be a great 60-some days, though. To hell with the Superbowl, election years make for the best TV money can buy.
You know, I have just re read this thread and I would have to say that a good 90% of the posts in it are either comments or impressions of the speech. I am not sure why you seem to be singling me out to misunderstand what I am saying and then call me on it, but if you have some beef with me specifically I suggest you open a pit thread.
That had nothing to do with Kerry saying he had conservative values except keeping a seperation between church and state (and that’s putting a big stretch on it). How did Bush (Rove) glean out of that that Kerry said he has conservative values? (Or am I just trying to make sense out of nonsense.)
The people I know who don’t care about politics weren’t watching because…well, they really don’t care about politics.