His4Ever, expect to get flamed for your cites.
The Mormons will say they are biased and only the official LDS cite can provide the truth.
Its like my car dealer analogy, though-those who have bought the cars and found they did not work, are the best ones to go to for facts.
The teachings of Mormonism are so different and opposite to what the Bible teaches and christianity teaches to be Another religion, not christianity.
But try telling them that.
I understand, vanilla. But I believe you’e right about those angels who appeared to Mr. Smith. They were a tool of deception. Test the spirits, 1 John 4:1-3 . Satan and his demons can appear as angels of light to deceive, it plainly tells us.
I tried to answer your post before and all I got printed was a repeat of your post…duh! I love computers? Not.
His4Ever and vanilla, you may be interested in the paper I came across the other day: The Baptist Book of Mormon, which lists all the BoM doctrines that are completely, utterly Protestant. According to him, anyway.
We are, btw, aware of the whole ‘appear as angels of light to deceive’ idea, and the Doctrine and Covenants goes into that. But ‘by their fruits ye shall know them,’ and I feel that the docrine taught is the BoM is good, virtuous, joyful, and quite Biblical. So, apparently, does the preacher cited above. You may, of course, have your own opinions, though I’m not sure how germane they are to this particular thread. But hey, it’s a free-for-all, join the party!
Regarding chiasmus… I was told they were pretty impressive, but after inspecting the passages in question, I found that they were typically pretty trivial – the kind of four- or five-line passages that I’ve often used in my own writings. The larger, allegedly chiastic passage which I was shown (from Alma 36) didn’t follow the chiastic structure very well at all. (Another fellow came to the same conclusion, as shown here.
The Tanners had several objections to the miraculous chiastic claims as well, as explained here.
Sorry to interrupt the vanilla-His4ever lovefest…but let’s keep it topical ladies. The thread is about the BoM, and if you want to expand to attacking Mormons generally, please start another thread.
His4ever, 1 John 4:2 reads:
Judge for yourself if Moroni fits those qualifications. To quote Moroni:
You may not be surprised that I think it passes the test.
What about the teachings of God up in heaven having spirit babies with his wife??? And these spirit babies having to wait for us to have physical babies for them to enter? And all this on a star named Kolob? Uh, no offense, but there’s no teaching in my Bible about God like this. I don’t agree with this teaching, sorry.
They also teach that God was once a human who worked His way up to being God.
The Bible completely disagrees with this.
WHich one is right ? Guess?
Oh yeah vanilla, thanks for reminding me of that one. I don’t have a bit of problem guessing which is true: the Bible or mormon doctrine. The idea that men can work themselves up to someday being a god and having their own planet to do with whatever they want, sounds pretty ridiculous to me! Plus where is that in Scripture?? Nowhere, I’m sure. Oh let me think…didn’t satan desire to be God and and wasn’t that why he was kicked out of heaven? Hmmm, seems to be a parallel there somewhere.
No way that the teachings of mormonism can be reconciled with biblical Christianity IMHO.
Oh and emarkp, the angel “Moroni” may have admitted who Jesus is but (must nitpik here) he didn’t say that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. That’s exactly what the test is. And was Joseph Smith truly a Christian when this “angel” visited him? Hmmm. I could say more, but bes stop here. As I said, there’s just no way that the teachigs of this religion are compatible with the Bible, once again IMHO.
And the bible alludes to a multiplicity of deities, vanilla. Which one’s right…the Bible or what people say about the Bible?
H4E: Define “Scripture.” YOu continue to throw around your definition of it when you attempt to malign the LDS.
PAY ATTENTION THIS TIME! The LDS consider other stuff in addition to the Bible to be Scripture.
The Bible says there are multiple Gods? Can’t say I remember that one - and in searching several online concordances (using the KJV version, of course) I cannot find any Scriptures that talk about multiple gods except in a negative sense, such as God punishing the people for worshiping other gods.
Cite please?
And Monty, maybe we should ask you which one’s right? Is the Bible right? Or only as far as it it translated correctly?
And when am I going to become a “white and delightsome” person as the original BoM said, or will I just become “pure and delightsome”, as it said after the scripture change just a few years ago?
When I use the term Scripture, I’m talking about just the Bible - Genesis to Revelation. I don’'t consider anything else to be Scripture. And by the way I’m not attempting to malign individual mormons. I simply disagree with the teachings of their church.
Um, again vanilla and His4ever, there are plenty of Mormon-bashing threads on the forums. You can make your statements topical by starting other threads.
How is it bashing when we are simply telling the truth?
Mormons are so quick to call any showing that the scriptures of Mormon are not of God “bashing”.
touchy?
And this is not just your humble opinion, His4Ever, its God’s too.
But sorry for the hijack, we just wanted the truth known.
Go on about your conversation now…
Rico: Perhaps we should ask which part of the Bible’s right when it contradicts itself.
H4E: I pray that one day you’ll finally understand that other people hold other things to be scripture besides what you do. There are Buddhists who don’t hold the Bible to be scriptural. Ditto with Hindus, Sikhs, Taoists, etc. You continue to toss the Bible around like a hammer.
vanilla: You’re generalizing again.
Okay, sorry.
Like I said, sorry for the hijack.
I’m not attempting to use the Bible as a hammer. I know others have different religions and accept other words as Scripture. I just have a concern for souls and believe the Holy Bible to be God’s word to all people on the earth. Everyone must decide for themselves. There can’t be multiple dilfferent realities and truths. that makes no sense. The truth just simply is. Not all religions on this earth can be the true one. There is only one truth for everyone, all others are deceptions of the devil to keep people in darkness and from the true Light.
If I seem to use the Bible like a hammer, my apologies. God compels me to share the truth of His word, especially where falsehood abounds. My motives are concern for eternal souls.
Quite interesting reading, this thread is. Especially for a Mormon. I read stuff like genie and emarkp write, and it all just makes sense. Then i read stuff like vanilla and His4Ever write, and it just seems way out in left field to me.
His4Ever, your intents are quite noble. I believe that it is my duty to do the same thing, hence the reason I will be going on a mission. I just find it interesting that I know to be true is what you consider “falsehood”, and thus I draw a great amount of disdain for your intents. How can one judge and accuse another’s beliefs of being completely false
and then attempt to impose their own?
Read a section of James chapter Five, KJV, and you will see a promise in what you consider scripture. Try it. You just might surprise yourself.