The Peace Formula

Great Debates
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Hello, my name is Moti, it’s great to visit your forum. There’s not much peace in the world at the moment, i think there is a lot to be gained from the following.

I’m posting it for general discussion.

THE PEACE FORMULA

The great mistake of modern civilization is to encroach upon others’ property as though it were one’s own and thereby create an unnecessary disturbance of the laws of nature. These laws are very strong. No living entity can violate them. Only one who is Krsna conscious can easily overcome the stringent laws of nature and thus become happy and peaceful in the world.
As a state is protected by the department of law and order, so the state of the universe, of which this earth is only an insignificant fragment, is protected by the laws of nature. This material nature is one of the different potencies of God, who is the ultimate proprietor of everything that be. This earth is, therefore, the property of God, but we, the living entities, especially the so-called civilized human beings, are claiming God’s property as our own under both an individual and collective false conception. If you want peace, you have to remove this false conception from your mind and from the world. This false claim of proprietorship by the human race on earth is partly or wholly the cause of all disturbances of peace on earth.
Foolish so-called civilized men are claiming proprietary rights on the property of God because they have now become godless. You cannot be happy and peaceful in a godless society. In the Bhagavad-gita Lord Krsna says that He is the factual enjoyer of all activities of the living entities, that He is the Supreme Lord of all universes, and that He is the well-wishing friend of all beings. When the people of the world know this as the formula for peace, it is then and there that peace will prevail.
Therefore, if you want peace at all, you will have to change your consciousness into Krsna consciousness, both individually and collectively, by the simple process of chanting the holy name of God. This is the standard and recognized process for achieving peace in the world. We therefore recommend that everyone become Krsna conscious by chanting Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare. Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare.
This is practical, simple, and sublime. Five hundred years ago this formula was introduced in India by Lord Sri Caitanya, and now it is available throughout the world. Take to this simple process of chanting as above mentioned, realize your factual position by reading the Bhagavad-gita As It Is, and reestablish your lost relationship with Krsna, God. Peace and prosperity will be the immediate worldwide result.

By His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

THE HARE KRISHNA SAINT TORTURED AND POISONED TO DEATH BY HIS JUDAS DISCIPLES
(Leaders of a Sinister Movement)

http://members.lycos.co.uk/prabhupada/sp_poisoned/sp_poisoned.htm or http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/sp_poisoned.htm

Web Sites:

PRABHUPADA Your ever well wisher www.prabhupada.org.uk or http://members.lycos.co.uk/prabhupada/

KRISHNA BHAKTIVEDANTA
WHOLLY COW PROTECTION SOCIETY http://members.lycos.co.uk/prabhupada108/

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Could you please restate this debate in one sentence using your own words?

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Um, The Bhagavad Gita As-It-Is has been blasted by nearly all Hindus and scholars of Sanskrit for its perverse intepretation of the text.

Anyway, I fail to see how reading the Bhagavad-gita will lead to world peace. You must have missed the part where Krshna tells Arjuna it’s okay to slay his opponents since they’ll be reincarnated anyway.

I don’t think we’ve ever had a Hare Krishna come prostelytising on our board before. Welcome (and prepare for some Great Debates roasting).

UnuMondo

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Kathy Kerr: Ah. Very well. Okay, I understand that this is an extension of Hindu religion. Is that not correct? No, it’s not. Does it have any basic tenets of the Hindu religion?
Prabhupada: There is no such word as Hindu religion. You do not know. There is no such word as Hindu religion, at least in the Vedas. The religion is translated into Sanskrit as “characteristic.” Religion is not a kind of faith. Just like chemical composition. Sugar is sweet–that is religion. Sugar must be sweet. Sugar cannot be pungent. Or chili must be pungent. If chili is sweet, we reject it, and sugar is pungent, you reject it. Similarly, our Vedic system is to train the human being to the ultimate goal of his life. That system is called varnasrama-dharma, gradually training the person how to become perfect human being and understand the goal of his life. That is our activity. It is not meant for any particular sect or particular nation. No. It is meant for the whole human society, how to make them perfect in the goal of his life.
Kathy Kerr: Through what means do you train the human being to become, to achieve his ultimate goal in life?
Prabhupada: To understand his spiritual identification. At the present moment, this age, all over the world, things are passing on on the bodily concept of life. But we are not this body. That is the defect of modern civilization, that there are two things–one, the body; and the moving force which is moving the body. So they are taking care of the body, but they have no information what is that moving force. They are presenting some foolish theories that the body is moving by chemical composition, by this, that, but actually they do not know what is there. The chemical composition…, what is that? Frankenstein or something?
Jayadvaita: Frankenstein. (laughter)
Prabhupada: These foolish things are going on. They think the body, by some chemical and physical combination and electric power… Although they have not been able to do so, but still they’ll theorize like that. In this way the whole human society is going on in a deep, ignorant platform. So, that is the defect of the human society at the present moment, and we are trying to mend this defect by this Krsna consciousness movement. People are trying to understand. Our books are being very nicely received by the educated circle. We have got so many books. About, for the time, we have got over fifty-four books like this. This book is selling very nicely, Bhagavad-gita As It Is. We have printed recent edition, 350,000 copies, that is finished. Again we are going to print 500,000 copies. So it is a great science meant for all human beings, not for the Hindus or the Muslim or the Christian. Science, mathematic, is meant for everyone. So it is spiritual science. Everyone should take advantage of it. Otherwise what was the use of my… I have not come here to preach Hindu religion. Why you should take Hindu religion? You are already Christian. So what is use of replacing Christian religion to Hindu religion? We have no such distinction. We are not after increasing the number of Hindus; we are after making the human being perfect in knowledge. That is our aim.
Kathy Kerr: Do you believe then that there is more than one way?
Prabhupada: There is only one way. Just like the spirit soul is within you and within me. Your skin may be white, my skin may be colored, but within, the spirit soul, what is there in you, that is in me also. There is not change on account of the body. Therefore to understand that spirit soul, there is only one way. There is no second way. Because it is not experimental; it is already there. If it is based on experiment and observation, then my experiment, your experiment may be different. But it is a fact that the soul is there, and as soon as the soul is gone from the body, the body is a dead lump of matter. That you have to understand. And any gentleman, any sensible man can understand it, that soul is there although we are changing body. Just like you were a child. That’s a fact. But where is that child’s body? Now your body’s different. Is it not a fact? What do you think? So where is that body, your child’s body?
Kathy Kerr: It’s material, I would say.
Prabhupada: Material. When you were on the lap of your mother the body was so small. Now you are a young girl and you are… So where is that small body? That means you have changed bodies. But your mother knows that you are the same, “My child.” Because you have grown up or you have changed your body, your mother will not cry “Where is my child?” She knows that “My child is there, but she has changed body.” Why these people do not understand this plain truth? Suppose you have come in this dress; next moment you come in another dress. But if I know you I’ll not mistake because you have changed your dress. Similarly, we are changing our dress from baby to child, child to boy, boy to young man, young man to middle-aged man, constantly changing, every moment. Medical science also says. The blood corpuscles are changed every moment. So we are changing our body every moment. But still we cannot understand that on account of change of body, the living force within the body does not change. Is there any difficulty to understand?

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Do not post in this manner again. We are not your students, your are not our teacher, and you will not post long quotes instead of direct responses again.
And you definitely will not quote without properly attributing the source again, do you understand?

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Maybe he is just ‘channeling’ websites?

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Funny that a man who has based his entire religion on one work (the Bhagavad-gita) still finds himself reaching to the Vedas, an entirely unrelated and much older work, to back up a crazy assertion. During the time of the Vedas there was no word (and incidentally the language of the Vedas is not Sanskrit, but “Vedic” or “Vedic Sanskrit”, though the second is a misnomer because it was a sister, not a parent language), but later a word was coined. Just because there isn’t a word for something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Anyway, the argument is similar to a madman claiming he’s not mad because there is no such thing as sanity. :rolleyes:

UnuMondo

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How can one disturb the laws of nature if it is impossible to violate the laws of nature?

Does this mean that chanting the name of God will kill someone? After all, you said that no living entity can violate the laws of nature, and one who is Krsna conscious can violate the laws of nature. That means that one who is Krsna conscious is not a living entity. If one is not a living entity, then one is dead. Therefore, chanting the name of God will kill you.

It is obvious that the people who chant the name of God are not dead.

Therefore, at least one of your assertions is invalid.

Throughout history, people have engaged in useless wars and needless persecution based on religion. However, I’ve never heard of an atheist going to war for their lack of belief, nor have I heard of atheists persecuting believers any further than mild ridicule (certainly no executions or burning at the stake).

This leads me to conclude that a godless society would, in fact, be happy and peaceful to an extent that is at least comperable with a society that believes in God.