A. Not outraged, irritated.
B. The thing is, over there they eat during job interviews. It’s just what’s done.
Also, I was pretty sure that Shinna is female. Am I incorrect?
Why, you wanna pork her? Good luck with that.
Well, in all fairness, I wasn’t talking about whether Jews and Muslims may eat pork, but rather that the rest of us may and most do. You are aware, of course, that if a Jewish person is starving, he or she may not refuse pork for religious reasons. And many Jews do not keep kosher.
Is it really illegal for those meats to be eaten in America, though? If it is, I do object to that, on the grounds that people should be able to put anything into their bodies they want, as long as they don’t hurt other people while doing it.
That’s how I saw it. I mean, I find it “unfortunate” that so many Americans participate in casual sex, but that doesn’t mean I think it should be against the law. And I don’t think Shinna Minna Ma thinks pork should be against the law, either.
Valete,
Vox Imperatoris
If only all bigotry were as mild as this, the world would be darn near utopian.
Huh? It’s almost like you’re responding to someone else and quoted me on accident. This doesn’t make any sense.
I don’t really know, but it’s absolutely socially taboo.
Oh, obviously, and I don’t have any problem with that besides it being a bit silly. (Although I have never tried either horse or dog, so they might be absolutely awful to eat, for all I know.)
Valete,
Vox Imperatoris
ETA: As to the social taboo thing, I do remember my fifth grade history teacher urging us to sign some kind of petition against a government bill that would sell excess horses on some reserve to France as food. (Or maybe that wasn’t the exact situation; I only vaguely remember it, but it did involve horses being sold to France by the government.)
That’s what it looked like to me, too – that it’s unfortunate so many Jews outside Jerusalem aren’t keeping kosher, as evidenced by the easy availability of pork.
Since the largest religious minority in Israel ALSO doesn’t traditionally eat pork, Shinna Minna Ma’s comment might even have been meant to indicate a more general disappointment in lack of religious observance.
Even if the comment were meant to indicate disapproval of anyone ever eating pork, it’s about as mild as such disapproval can be. “It’s unfortunate that people do things that my religion forbids” is nowhere near in the same league as “Things that my religion forbids should be outlawed”, “People who do things that my religion forbids are sick/evil”, or other genuinely bigoted statements.
I dunno, the post that pissed me off (in a very very mild way … I just can’t get that outraged about any of this) wasn’t the one linked in the OP, it was Shinna’s subsequent response to questions about that post:
So to me it seems that it’s not just that she wants Jews to be more observant – she “decries the lack of Judiaism,” i.e. the existence of non-Jews. She doesn’t want the goyishes or their nasty pork anywhere in the whole freakin’ country. To me, a Jew BTW, that seems extraordinarily fucked up.
And frankly the whole breast-beating over the non-kosher coffee shop was stupid considering the whole issue could’ve been resolved in three seconds.
“Great, Ms. Shinna, let’s have lunch at O’Marra’s Pork ‘n’ Cheese ‘n’ Lobster Emporium, okay? It’s over on Judah ben Shlomo Street --”
“Oh I’m sorry, Mr. Goyerson, but would it be possible to meet at a kosher restaurant?”
“Oh! Of course! Sorry, I didn’t even realize. It’s just O’Marra’s has an amazing latte, so I go there all the time. No problem, let’s make it Hebie Goldstonowitz’s instead, it’s right next door.”
“Great, thanks!”
The end. Instead of simply addressing what was almost certainly just an oversight, she starts rending her garments. Sheesh!
The difference, of course, is that pork obviously isn’t that taboo since there seems to be a thriving market for it.
If a Mormon came on here and said “unfortunately, coffee is available at any 7-11” we’d laugh our asses off at them. If they said something like “It’s unfortunate that so many Mormons slam down Diet Cokes in secret” we’d still laugh at then.
If a Muslim came on here and started talking shit about non-Halal restaurants in Saudia Arabia, we’d probably get outright pissed.
Religious bigotry is bigotry, and mild or not I think its lame in all of it’s forms, even when Israel is involved.
Speak for yourself. I would not be outraged by that, and it is not bigotry, even “mild bigotry” unless you expand the term “bigotry” to include any religious tenet. I mean, do you really think a Mormon saying, “Don’t drink coffee,” is a bigot?
Valete,
Vox Imperatoris
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I mean, do you really think a Mormon saying, “Don’t drink coffee,” is a bigot?/QUOTE]
Well, actually, yeah. If he wants to give me shit because I’m not following what he perceives as his religious obligation, yeah. And if he tries to tell me it’s only because we are in Utah, double yeah. You deal with your religious obligations and I’ll deal with mine, thanks. And unless I’m actually inside your church, location has nothing to do with respecting other people and their choices.
How do you know he’s not a prominent Republican? 
If he actually said it to your face uninvited, yeah, that would be rude. And if the person being pitted went up the guy and got outraged about it being a non-kosher place, that would also be rude, but not bigoted. But that is not the case here.
Valete,
Vox Imperatoris
I was told off in TelAviv at a road side cafe by the owner for drinking milk with a Burger,apparently he would be fined by his Rabbi.
I’m nominally Christian but it didn’t bother me as I have travelled a fair amount and am a great believer in "When in Rome"etc.
I dont point my feet at the Buddha in Thailand,use my left to shake hands in Oman or say Shweihund in Germany.
Back in England I try not to eat dogs.
Its no big deal figuring your behaviour to the country you’re in and if it is then stay at home.
Yeah, but presumably these are not restaurants for bacon loving tourists, but rather restaurants whose customers are primarily Israeli.
I’d gladly observe kosher laws if I were a tourist. But if I was Israeli who for whatever reason didn’t keep kosher, I’d certainly roll my eyes at anyone who says it’s “unfortunate” that I can buy a ham sandwich for lunch.
FWIW this goes the other way, too. I get equally annoyed by people who call keeping kosher “an outdated custom” or whatever. My religion is mine, yours is yours. My lunch is mine, yours is yours. It’s really a personal thing.
I’ll end with a challenge: Can anyone give me a good reason why you way say the availability of pork is “unfortunate” that doesn’t essentially boil down to “my religion/culture is better than yours.” Is there a way to interpret this as respectful of people with different beliefs and cultures?
And yes, “if you don’t follow my religion my way, you don’t belong here” counts as being bigotry.
Yeah, I took it that he was more Butthurtarian than anything; that’s not unusual.
After reading the original thread, Mr and/or Ms Ma comes across as slightly naive, with unrealistic expectations of his / her adopted country, but it’s hardly pit-worthy.
Where’s Kosher Smiley when you need him?
Since caffeine is not forbidden in Mormonism, that’s a bad example. But let’s a assume you used Jack Daniel’s as an example. You’ve obviously never been around mormons. They do say stuff like that. I doubt they get laughed at much for it, either. I’ll tell you what: I’m an atheist, and I hate all injustice committed in the name of religion. When we eradicate the 900,00 things above “which foods are unfortunate to eat” on the list, I’ll worry my pretty little head about this one.
Don’t agree. To me this is a tempest in a teapot.