I think this prat deserves to be pitted. In a thread talking about going to a non kosher diner for an interview, here Shinna Minna Ma commented
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This is, to me just blantantly bigoted, objectionable bitchy and unwarranted.
If I came into a thread proclaiming something along the lines of “Kosher is stupid adn should not be allowed in America” I would be flame grilled, and rightly.
And for thinking that a ethnically Jewish state should also observe Judaism is even worse - so what now every ethnic chinese must know kung fo and eat eggs foo yong?
Shinna Minna Ma, you are a prat, a bigot and deserve NOT to get the job you asswipe.
This sort of behaviour / attitude perpetuates hatred and feeds more fuel to the fire in the Palestine / Israel feuds.
Not really, to proclaim that Israel should be more Jewish, is to be asked to be treated in line with biblical disputes. To say that we as a state should follow more closely religious rites, invites others to treat you in a religious light.
The way to “solve” the Israel / Palestine “problem” is to get religion out of the debate - crap like saying Israel should be MORE jewish just perpetuates it as a religious problem - which will never be solved.
Oh and could you please explain why they are false analogies? Must everyone that lives in Israel be neccessarily Jewish? Must everyone that comes of a Chinese ethnic parent neccessarily identify as Chinese?
Yeah, that bugged me too, both for the idea that non-Jews shouldn’t be welcomed in Israel, and for the idea that Jews living in Israel should be compelled to observer archaic religious rituals. I don’t know that I’d call it bigoted, exactly, but it’s annoyingly parochial.
Whether you want to treat Judaism as a religion or as an ethnicity is immaterial. What do Jews want you to treat them as? Are Jews more likely to identify as a religion or as an ethnic group? In addition, what does Israel want to identify as, a religion or an ethnicity?
My belief is that it’s a religion that both would choose and not an ethnic group. You’ll just have to live with that. Of course, that means that you are the bigoted one and not the OP in the linked thread.
I don’t understand. Are you mad because he said it’s unfortunate that pork is widely available outside of Jerusalem? I don’t know if I can get worked up about that. Say you live in some dry county in Utah, and because of your Mormon beliefs, you believe it’s wrong to drink beer. Are you a bigot for saying it’s unfortunate that beer is widely available outside your county? Wrong, in my opinion, sure. But a bigot? I don’t see it.
I think rockets, rocks, semi-automatic rifles, propaganda, quartering of troops, territory disputes, etc, perpetuate hatred and add fuel to the fire of Israeli/Palestinian conflict, not dietary preferences. Well, maybe dietary preferences, but they’ve got to be way low on the scale.
Forgive me in advance if I misunderstood the OP, but that seems like what you were saying.
Well who gives a fuck whether either Muslems or jews want it served, if you want to follow the dictates of your religion and don’t wnat to eat then fine, that is your loss. To say that it is unfortunate that some restaurants have the pure audacity to serve pork or not remain kosher / halal is to force / push your fucking dictates to me. Which is what I do take exception to.
To TELL ANY damn fucking country that they should be run, business established or fucking fuckity fuck anything else be done in line with a fucking religion is damn bullshit in the worst extreme. If you yourself want to follow the dictates then I don’t give a shit. To come right out and say that it is “unfortunate” that pork is so widely available is religious arrogance of the highest degree. It is (wishing) to impose your beliefs on others.
And yeah, it is pretty low on the scale of when compared to rockets, mortars and suicide bombers. It is the* attitude* that fucks me up, the arrogance of some pre-ordained our religion is correct and right and everybody else is ignorant that shits me off. Shinna Minna Ma didn’t explicitly say this, but it is fucking lurking there for him(?) to even have the balls to make such a statement.
And it is this self same arrogance that I am very sure has perpetuated the fucking occupation on BOTH sides for so damn fucking long… OOOO this is our promised country… oooo this place has religious significance. If that could be dialed back a solution would be so much easier
I think you might be reading too much into Shinna’s statement. Personally, I feel it’s unfortunate that Bar Rafaeli would rather be Leonardo DiCaprio’s girlfriend than my concubine. Obviously that doesn’t mean I would support some kind of legislative solution to change the situation.
Beer, and all alcoholic beverage, is an optional drink. Food is not optional. Not everyone keeps Halal or Kosher and not every resident or visitor is Muslim or Jewish.
Pork is optional, amigo. I’m perfectly free to eat the stuff whenever the fancy strikes me, and I can’t remember the last time I did. This is really no different, in fact, than dog or horse being banned in America. It’s culturally taboo for us to eat those animals.
I don’t see it. Shinna Minna Ma apparently just wishes that all Jews were more observant.
Look, adherents of most religions generally wish that everyone would see the light. Jews are a bit different, I suppose, in that they just wish all the other Jews would see the light. But it’s not evidence of bigotry or racism.
This is how I read it, as well. He’s saying that it’s too bad that it’s so easy to find, because that shows how many Jews in Israel are non-observant. I definitely didn’t read it to imply that people should be compelled to keep kosher.
I gotta assume the hardcore bigotry was elsewhere in the interview because I don’t see anything in the quote that deserved the vitriol in the OP. Maybe an eye-roll or two.
What irked me was not his position re pork in Israeli restaurants, but that he had to actually sit in one to have a job interview. He seemed outraged by the whole thing. Does he not want a job? He can’t just have water? He could always just bring a bottle of water or politely refuse to eat (potentially problematic and/or rude given that he agreed to meet therel in the first place) or ask to have the venue changed (not on the basis of his religious practices, unless he wants to make a big deal about this). He seems to be resigned to his Diet Coke (yuck), so really–what is the big deal?
I most likely am posting from ignorance. I thought the deal was you couldn’t eat non-kosher stuff, not that you couldn’t engage in daily activities nearby a non-kosher institution. If this is a snapshot of modern day Israel, color me unimpressed. I don’t think it is; I sincerely hope not.