That sounds like the extremists opinions I hear from the far right. It’s 2 sides of the same coin, and it’s ridiculous every time.
Here in the real world, the majority of us live, work, love, get along together pretty good most of the time, and aren’t overwhelmed or depressed or fearful when everything doesn’t go strictly as we want it to, because that’s unreasonable to expect.
Here in the real world the fascists have been given control of the government, many of your neighbors likely want you dead or worse, your love makes you a target if it’s the “wrong” sort, and we’re headed for a massive amount of persecution, suffering and ecological & economic disaster at the very best.
The monsters won.
we’re talking about 74+ million, which is the majority of voters in this nation, so if you really believe that silliness, and are actually fearful of it, you probably should seriously consider checking out for your own welfare, real or imagined.
Here in the “real world” of a normally functioning liberal democracy, we don’t generally elect candidates making ominous statements about “the enemies from within”, issues threats to persecute dozens of political opponents, or suggest that a former member of his own political party should have “guns are trained on her face.". You are correct there extremism here, but it isn’t in the concerns expressed by @Der_Trihs and other posters; it is the candidate who is full of grievance and a desire for revenge who just won the election and whose party will have essentially the complete apparatus of government under control of extreme elements of their party with a plan to essentially dismantle major departments and agencies as they see fit.
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Anyone who can should flee the country. One with nuclear arms. If they are lucky they’ll die of accident or old age before the Republicans decide to go all Christian End Times on us and just nuke the world out of fanaticism and spite.
I would suggest you read up on the Rwandan Genocide. Apparently the two groups (Tutsi and Hutus) lived as neighbors and worked together and got along. And then almost overnight they didn’t and neighbors who had gotten along for years started hacking people apart with machetes.
I’m not saying that will happen in the US but don’t suppose because people seem fine with each other that it can’t change fast.
(I suppose we can see something similar with the Jews in 1930s Germany.)
I have a MAGA friend and the vitriol that comes out of a normal, educated woman with a great job is frankly scary. She HATES democrats.
It’s very difficult for me to take formerly reasonable arguments seriously when the last sitting US President literally attempted a self-coup – the overthrow of the legitimately elected US government.
I feel like every conversation around Trump II needs to start off with a single question: did Trump try to affect a self-coup in the last quarter of 2020 and in January 2021?
Hint: he did.
Now then. Where were we?
I don’t keep up with politics like most of you apparently do, so I never heard about that, but a simple search, using your own link, proves that you have taken it entirely out of context, in a discussion about war. I see things taken out of context often, on right and left leaning forums alike. It’s disengenious at best.
"Later, Trump added “I don’t blame (Dick Cheney) for sticking with his daughter, but his daughter is a very dumb individual, very dumb. She is a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK? Let’s see how she feels about it. You know, when the guns are trained on her face.”
Moderating:
You’re engaging in a personal attack to imply that someone’s welfare is at risk merely for not agreeing with you. Knock it off.
I think there is a wide range of very real possibilities, from “things will somehow be okay and nothing bad will happen” to “It is the end of American democracy (and the beginning of something much worse),” with lots of possibilities in between.
I think that many people have been talking about and focusing on the worst of the possibilities, partly in hopes of making Trump and the Republicans look as bad as possible in hopes that this would scare as many people as possible into voting and working against them. Now that the election is over, this is less useful than it used to be, if it ever was.
I found these remarks by Rachel Maddow (made on the day after the election) to be helpful. Unlike many cable hosts she wasn’t pretending that it’s all business as usual, Nothing Will Really Change, It Can’t Happen Here. (Way too many of them are going with that delusion.)
The comments are pretty much a hate-fest by Trumpites, but the video itself is worth a listen. She acknowledges the despair many feel, but offers some ways out:
Republicans have very explicitly told us what they mean to do when in power. They wrote it down for all to see and it was not some fringe group that wrote it (heck, the VP-elect JD Vance wrote the foreward, “… it’s time to circle the wagons and load the muskets.”). What they want is not compatible with American democracy at all. And here’s the thing…they have complete control of the government so they have the means to do what they say they will do. There are no brakes left on them. None.
I can’t imagine why anyone would believe republicans will govern responsibly now. Nothing they have done in the past decade suggests they will.
For the voters who swung (as opposed to the committed MAGA fascists), I also think the economy was a big factor. Governments around the world have been voted out because of the inflation. The level of “thinking” of some people is “Inflation bad.” I don’t know how you explain to them that it was a global phenomenon and that the U.S. has weathered the storm much better than most other countries, presumably in large part because we had someone competent in charge.
And, they remember how the economy was good under Trump before COVID; the fact that it was simply a continuation of the recovery under Obama with no acceleration (if anything, slight deceleration) in job growth is lost on them. (And, of course, while they blame Biden for inflation, they somehow do understand that the economic downturn during COVID was not Trump’s fault…and they ignore how badly he handled COVID.)
I really didn’t think that many Americans would weigh the price of eggs vs the continued existence of our democratic form of government and decide that the price of eggs is much more important…but, alas that seems to be the case. (And, of course, if anything, Trump will re-ignite inflation with his tariffs and kicking out the illegal immigrants who play a vital role in our economy.)
I also think that the mainstream media somehow kind of normalized Trump for these low-information voters. Too much focus on the horse race and not enough focus on his truly insane remarks every day. I understand the sense in which the media think that it is not big news if Trump says something outrageous as compared to when a normal politician does. But, the net effect is that Trump is “graded on a curve”…a humongous curve.
I am kind of alternating between anger, sadness, despair, and resignation.
But being scared stiff won’t help.
What will?
What can we all do?
I absolutely believe this. My cite was posted in another thread:
It would seem the one thing Harris did successfully was play up the danger of Project 2025, because I’ve never seen people so pants-shittingly terrified by a white paper full of unachievable "wouldn’t it be nice if"s. Not even PNAC inspired this kind of run-for-the-hills-we’re-all-done-for mentality.
I do not know why you think their goals are unachievable but, if you are correct, I will never be happier to admit on this board that I was completely wrong.
You mean the group that was instrumental in lying the US into the Iraq War?
I feel like that really happened, and that it turned out horribly poorly for all involved, no?
Of your long history of misrepresenting things this takes the cake. The guiding document entitled A Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise is comprising thirty chapters of detailed plans and guidance. It is far from “a white paper full of unachievable ‘wouldn’t it be nice if’s”, and is just one of four pillars of their plan also including:
A personnel database, which will allow Project 2025 coalition members to “review and voice their recommendations” for appointments.
A “Presidential Administration Academy” to teach new hires “how the government functions and how to function in government.”
A second document — “the Playbook” — which will include “transition plans” to allow the next president to implement plans quickly.
I’m going to repeat one last time that I’ve studied the rise of fascism, and particularly German fascism and the NSDAP, and there are some stunning parallels between the late Weimar Republic era and recent political developments in the United States. You can continue to insist that this is just politics as normal with a little dash of extremism and that the normal legal and electoral remedies will deal with this problem and cause a reversion to the mean in two years, but that didn’t work out well in Germany post-1933 and I remain very concerned that we seeing something very similar here despite years of protest, political resistance, a vigorous electoral campaign (with record campaign spending), and all of the pointing and laughing that the collective comedic powers of former and current Daily Show alumni can muster.
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Do you seriously believe Any country is safe if nuclear bombs start flying?
There’s is no place to hide.
If this results in a WW3 it’s all over any way.
Make yourself as comfortable and safe as you can. Keep family close.
Having mental breakdown or panic attacks helps no-one. And won’t change a damn thing.
Running is not the answer. Many many countries are leaning right. Many are not livable like Americans live.
Many are too far from family.
Most you can’t enter safely or legally for a long time. It takes years. Do you have years? Can you get what you need, medically? Can you even find employment?
The reason America was so much of a dream for immigrants is you could come here, there is a way.
And the American dream is still a dream.
Go ask a Palestinian or a Ukrainian would they like to trade places with you.
Don’t melt down.
If you feel in danger in your exact neighborhood. Buy a gun. Or leave. Go to your Mother or friend’s house. Safety in numbers, and all.
Leaving the country is knee jerk.
Of the people here who say they will, maybe 2 will. And they have real ways to do it. Most Americans don’t have that. It will not be a huge number that leaves this country.
This is panic talk.
At this moment in time we don’t need panic. We need cool heads.
Build your nest. Feather it with what makes you safe. Gather your family together.